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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1145 Mr. Owens. August 16 of what year ? Mr. Kahane. Of 1946. Mr. Owens. That was 8 months later? Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir. We were sent a communication that came from Mr. Green of the American Federation of Labor that had been transmitted to Mr. Johnston, and also a letter from Mr. Hutcheson, which had been transmitted to us. In the letter from Mr. Green he gave us this purported so-called clarification of the directive. Mr. Owens. You mean Mr. Green sent you a so-called clarification of the men who were no longer connected with that directive, who had rendered their decision and were through ? Mr. Kahane. Of course, it was our contention that they were through. Mr. Owens. I guess that would be a good legal contention, would it not? Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir; I think it would. Mr. Owens. Because an arbitration agreement would not have much effect if the arbitrators continued to be arbitrators after they were finished, unless of course there was fraud connected with it in some ^^y- . . . , . Mr. Kahane. I might say Mr. Hutcheson m transmitting this so- called August 16 clarification to us stated that he trusted that the pro- ducers would carry out the clarification as well as any other interpreta- tions or clarifications that may be given in the future, which would indicate this three-man committee would have continuing jurisdiction to the end of time to make such clarifications or interpretations as they pleased. Mr. Owens. Was there any such arrangement in the first instance ? Mr. Kahane. Not at all, sir. They were to make their findings with- in 30 days. Their authority was exhausted within 30 days and all parties agreed to accept as final and binding whatever determinations they did make. Mr. Owens. And so you paid no attention to the so-called clari- fication ? Mr. Kahane. That is correct, sir. We made that clear to Mr. Green, to Mr. Hutcheson, and to all concerned, that we were obliged to follow the original directive; that there was no authority for any interpretation, clarification, or instructions beyond that. Mr. Owens. Did you find it a little bit difficult making it clear to Mr. Green ? Mr. Kahane. We did, sir. Mr. Owens. That is all. Mr. Kearns. Do you have any further questions? Mr. McCann. Do you want me to read these questions of counsel now? Mr. Kearns. Yes. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, it is getting a little late. Mr. Kearns. Well, continue; go right ahead. Mr. McCann. Questions by Mr. Cobb: Did the companies have a closed-shop agreement with the car- penters and other crafts? Mr. Kahane. At what time ?