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1150 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES The first factor is that the agreement was made upon a local level only and the directive provided that the settlement is to be made within the first 30 days on an international level. Now, the record shows—if Mr. Bodle is going to quote the record— the record shows that Mr. Maurice Hutcheson, representing the car- penters' union, refused to agree to the local 80-946 agreement. That is in the Los Angeles record. The Los Angeles record further shows that Mr. Cambriano on be- half of the carpenters, when he testified, said that this was only a tenta- tive agreement, and he used the word "tentative" because of the fact that the international had not approved the agi'eement which was made on a local level. Finally, the agreement in its own language explicitly makes clear that this agreement is made only with respect to local 80's jurisdiction and is not in any way to affect the jurisdiction of any other locals affiliated with the lATSE. Now, if you want to make charges, let the charges be based upon the record. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Kahane made that very clear in his testimony, where he said they had to deal with the international. The question that has come up now is merely a question submitted by counsel to committee counsel. Mr. Levy. I would not have arisen if Mr. Bodle had not under- taken to make some statements to Congressman Owens which might leave the impression that Mr. Bodle was quoting from the record when the fact is the record does not support it. Mr. Kearns. Well, as the chairman says, the matter before the house now is the question submitted by Mr. Cobb. We are going to answer that and then I think anything else right now does not mean too much. Mr. McCann. I have one more question by Mr. Bodle, Mr. Chair- man, if you will permit me to ask it. Mr. Kearns. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. Mr. Kahane, this question is submitted by Mr. Bodle of the painters. The minutes of the meeting of September 20 of the producers labor committee state: Dead line by 9 a. m. Monday clear out all carpenters first and then clear out all painters, following which proceed to put lA men to work. In view of this, is it not true that a date was fixed by all of the studios for the discharge of the carpenters and painters? Mr. Kahane. Well, I do not know what notes those are, but I would not argue with that; I would not deny that that was the fact, because I think we were all as anxious as possible to get it done quickly as pos- sible, when we only had from the I7th to the 23d before we completed the job. We probably said, "Let's everybody get in position so we can op- erate." Mr. McCann. So you do not deny that ? Mr. Kahane. I do not deny that. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, that completes it. Mr. 0"\\^NS. I want to know, Mr. Kahane, whether after the period of 30 days had elapsed, under the directive within the 30-day period after that 30-day period, that is, within 60 days, they did meet and