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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1151 settle all jurisdictional questions as they were ordered to do by the directive ? Mr. Kahane. We know that they met in Hollywood, Congressman Owens. We did not talk to tliem; the producers did not talk to them. Then they rendered a decision as of December 26 which purported to take care of all the jurisdictional disputes except those involving the machinists. Mr. OwEXS. Of course, that said that all jurisdictional disputes would have 30 days in which to settle, and if they did not settle within 30 days then a committee was to be appointed to settle within 30 days after tliat. That is correct, is it not ? Mr. Kaiiane. That is correct. Mr. Owens. Were they settled within the 60-day period? Mr. Kahaxe. They purported to settle them all; yes, sir. Mr. OwExs. And it was not until 6 months after that that this question of clarification arose? Mr. Kahane. Eight months, sir. Mr. OwExs. I mean 6 months after the 60 days expired. Mr. Kahane. Oh, no; the 60 days expired on December 31. Mr. Owens. You mean the decision had been rendered in October? Mr. Kahane. No; the council met at Cincinnati in October. They gave them 60 days, 30 days for the parties themselves to attempt to arrive at an amicable understanding. Failing that, the committee was to have 30 additional days, which would take them up to the end of the year to determine the jurisdictional dispute. Mr. Owens. Then it was not until the middle of August 1946 that the so-called clarification was handed down by Mr. Green? Mr. Kahane. That is right. As a matter of fact, when we got the directive in December and found out that there was going to be diffi- culty about it being carried out, we then flew down to Miami, where the council was then again convened. You heard the minutes of the meeting of that council read, at which we all appeared and asked what we were to do now. The result of it was, despite all the desperate efforts that were made by Mr. Hutcheson to wiggle out of it or get it changed, the result of it was that we left Miami with instructions from the American Federation of Labor that the original directive of December 26 stood, and that was to be followed out. Mr. Owens. So-called treaty of Beverly Hills you say was just an arrangement to give work to certain men? Mr. Kahane. That had nothing to do with these particular men. Mr. Owens. That was a month before the so-called clarification? Mr. K.\HAXE. Yes, sir. That had nothing to do with this issue. Mr. OwExs. That involved other issues entirely? Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir. ]\lr. Kearns. Mr. Kahane, as vice president of Columbia Pictures Corp. and former chairman of the producers' labor committee, I think you can best answer this question: After the decision was made by the producers not to shut down the industry, but to continue, it was not imtil after September 11 when the ultimatum was handed to you by the carpenters that they would not be on the job the next morning, that your labor committee, consisting of the producers, decided then to make preparations with