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1170 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. McCann. You are referring to the meeting of the 12th? Mr. Balaban. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. At that time do you recall the position which was taken by Mr. Johnston with respect to what action the producers should take in view of the demand by Mr. Walsh and the ultimatum by Mr. Cambiano? Mr. Balaban. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. Will you tell us what he said ? Mr. Balaban. It was his recommendation that we would not have peace in Hollywood until we closed the studios. There were some who agreed with him at that morning session. Mr. McCann. Do you recall who agreed with him ? Mr. Balaban. I do not. Mr. McCann. Do you recall who led the opposition ? Mr. Balaban. No, I think I agreed with him in the first place. That is the one I do recall. I recall taking a position along with Mr. Johnston. Mr. McCann. Then you changed your mind later? Mr. Balaban. Later in the day we called Mr. Mannix, I believe, and told him of the discussion. Mr. Mannix convinced us that we were wrong, that we ought to keep the studios open, giving us many reasons why we should; that is, his reasons. Mr. McCann. Did you know that it is reported—I do not say ac- curately or inaccurately—in the minutes which were kept of the meet- iiKg of the producers' labor committee in Hollywood, that Mr. Mannix recommended that they should close ? Mr. Balaban. That was not the fact, I am sure. We called Mr. Mannix. We stepped into another office, Mr. Johnston, myself, and I think Mr. Blumberg. I am not sure about Mr. Blumberg. There was a fourth man, and we called Mr. Mannix at his office at the studio. Some of us were on the side of closing along with Mr. Johnston. Mr. McCann. I am reading from what is purported to have been the meeting of the producers labor committee on September 11, 1946, in Hollywood. Next to the last line after Mr. Cambiano was in it said: Mannix stated: "I am for closing." Mr. Balaban. That may have been his position on the 11th. It was not on the 12th, when Mr. Schenck spoke to him. Mr. McCann. Tell me again who was it that talked with Hollywood after your meeting on the 12th ? Mr. Balaban. I believe Mr. Nicholas Schenck called Mr. Mannix with two or three other company representatives in the room with him. Mr. McCann, Are you sure it wa;j Mr. IMannix or Mr. Kahane ? Mr. Balaban. Mr. Mannix, I am quite sure. Mr. McCann. I am going to read to you from what purports to be the minutes of September 12 of the producers labor committee in Hollywood meeting. There are two or three paragraphs and I am going to ask you if this correctly states the position of the presidents in New York. Mr. Kahane reported the recent conversations with the presidents and Eric Johnston—■ Did Eric Johnston talk with Hollywood also ?