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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1185 Mr. McCann. Was that the meeting on the 11th, or are you talking about the meeting on the 12th? Mr. Michel. That may have been the 12th. Mr. McCann. Did you comnnniicate with your representative in Hollywood and so advise that representative of your determination? Mr. ]\ficHEL,. I think if I remember correctly, the night before that meeting Mr. Fred Meyer, wlio was our studio representative on labor, called me up and told me of these difficulties. Mr. Cambiano's name was mentioned. I never heard of the gentleman before, frankly. Mr. McCann. Mr. Meyer told you Mr. Cambiano had issued an ulti- matum to the producers that beginning the next morning at approxi- mately 6 o'clock all sets would be declared "hot" on which carpenters were not employed ? Mv. Michel. That is right. Mr. McCann. And did Mr. Meyer ask you for instructions as to what he should do? Mr. ^Michel. I told Mr. Meyer Mr. ]\IcCann. Answer that first. Did he ask you for instructions as to what he shoidd do ? Mr. Michel. He did; yes. Mr. McCann. Did you give him directions? Mr. Michel. Not right at that moment. I told him I wanted to think the thing over. Mr. ^McCann. Did you after the meeting, which you have here dis- cussed, issue instructions to Mr. Meyer as to what he should do? Mr. IMiCHEL. I called up Mr. Meyer and told him we had decided what the thing was all about, and that we had decided we were going to keep open; that he was the representative out there and that I ex- pected him to do everything in his power to keep open. I told him further to keep in close touch with our attorney Al Wright, so that he would do nothing which would cause us any difficulty. Mr. McCann. You told him that after the meeting you are discuss- ing in Xew York City where Mr. Johnston wanted to close, and where you and some of the other presidents outvoted him ? ]\Ir. Michel. That is right. Mr. McCann. And decided to keep open? Mr. IMiCHEL. That is right. ]Mr. ]McCann. How frequently in the course of the strike which had been going on from 1915 through this incident, say, in September— and I know, of course, they went back to work there, according to the directive in December, but I am trying to cover that whole period— how often did Mr. Meyer call you to get instructions as to what should be done by your studios? Mr. ]\riciiEL. Riirht after that situation. I think it was the end of September or the first of October of that year I made a trip to the studio. I was going to visit all of our studios at the same time. I talked the matter over out there with Fred. We were having a lot of difficulty, but we were operating. It was costing us plenty of money, I assure vou. Mr. ^IcCann. Was that in October 1946? Mr. IMicnEL. That is riffht.