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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1201 Mr, McCann. Were 3011 here when the testimony was o;iven by Mr. Rathvon and otlier presidents with respect to receiving information from their representatives on the west coast as to what had happened? Mr. Perkixs, I was not here wdien Mr. Rathvon testified. Mr. McCaxn. Were you here when Mr. BaUiban testified ? JSIr. Perkins. Yes, sir. JVIr. jNIcCaxx. Did you hear his testimony ? Mr. Perkixs. Yes, sir. IVIr. McCanx. Didn't Mr. BaUiban make it plain that they under- stood the situation in New York; the fact that they were on the horns of a dilemma; that there was a definite ultimatum by the carpenters and a definite threat of closing everything, by Mr. Walsh? Mr. Perkixs. They certainly faced an ultimatum by the carpenters, and I think they pretty well knew^ what the result would be if they obej^ed the carpenters' ultimatum. Mv. McCaxx. Didn't you know yourself, sir? Mr. Perkixs. I suppose I did. Mr. McCann. I repeat, I haven't been to the studio for a number of years. Mr. McCaxx. I understand you are not in the studio, but you had a representative out there from AVarner Bros., a Mr. Sax, did you not? Mr. Perkins. Yes; Mr. Herbert Freston, I would say. Mr. McCaxx. And Mr. Sax was a member of the producers' labor committee in Hollywood, was he not? Mr. Perkixs. I don't think so, Mr. McCann. Mr. McCax^x^. You do not think he was? ]Mr. Perkixs. No, sir; I think Mr. Herbert Freston, who was a vice president and officer of the company, was a member of the labor com- mittee. Mr. McCaxx*. Well, for your information whether Mr. Sax was a member of the labor committee or was not a member of the labor com- mittee, I would like to call your attention to the fact that on August 22, 1946, when Mr. Walsh advised the companies or the representatives of the companies that if they "make one single change in the admin- istration of the A. F. of L. directive in compliance with the new inter- pretation, any company will have all work stopped in the studios, exchanges, and theaters." Mr. Sax was present that day represent- ing Warner Bros. The record also shows that he was present on Sep- tember 3, when a wire was sent to Eric Johnston on the subject of the directive and the interpretation. I believe we have had testimony to the fact that that wire was sent, Tlie record on the 11th does not show that Mr. Sax was present. The record on the 12th of September shows that Mr. Sax was pres- ent, representing Warner's. Mr. Perkixs. Mr. ]McCann, if I could save you time, I think Mr. Sax goes to many of the meetings. I do not think he is officially a member of the labor committee. M3' understanding is that Mr. Her- bert Freston is. That is the only difference between us, is it not? Mr. McCaxx. That may be, but I note here he Avas present at all of these meetings, Mr. Pp:rkixs. No doubt of it. I think his job is manager of labor relations for the company. Mr. McCaxx. Did Mr. Sax report to anyone in New York with respect to what took place at those meetings ?