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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1207 Mr. McCanx. Well, do you remember the fact that there was dis- cussion after Cambiano and Skelton went out as to what the studios would do? Mr, Sax. We probably did discuss it; yes. Mr. McCanx. Do you remember what the decision was ? Mr. Sax. No, I don't. I know we were prepared to go along; we were prepared to call the painters and carpenters. We made that arrangement in our discussion. Mr. McCaxx. That was arranged. You are not trying to cover it by hours, but just trying to cover it by the meetings? JNIr. Sax. No. I had instructions from Mr. Freston to go ahead and call them right on the sets. Mr. McCaxx. In other words, you had instructions from Mr. Fres- ton to call the carpenters to work on hot sets and the painters to work on hot sets and to pay them off if they did not work on them? Mr. Sax. That is right. Mr. McCaxx. And to tell them to get off the premises? Mr. Sax. Right. Mr. McCaxx. You know that Avas agreed on by the labor committee and that it was the policy of your company that that should be done ? Mr. Sax. It was the policy of our company to go right along with the labor committee, whatever was agreed on. Mr. McCaxx. That policy was transmitted to you and that was what uas done? Mr. Sax. Yes, sir. Mr. McCaxx. I wonder if you remember independently—and I do not want to tax your memory, Mr. Sax—that there was a call on September 12 on the presidents in New York? I know your presi- dent was not there. Do you remember it was reported at your meet- ing that day that the presidents in New York said there were two courses of action open, and the presidents favored keeping the studios open ? Mr. Sax. Was I at that particular meeting ? Mr. McCaxx. You were at that meeting, sir. Mr. Sax. If that was reported, then that is true. Mr. McCaxx. I think that is all, Mr. Chairman. Mr. OwExs. Mr. Sax, you are the gentleman Mr. Perkins men- tioned a few moments ago ? Mr. Sax. I am one of them; yes, sir, Mr. Owens. He also men- tioned Mr. Freston. Mr. OwExs. And you have charge of the labor relations for Warners; is that it ? Mr. Sax. Yes; labor relations. Mr. Oa\t:xs. As such, what difficulty, if any, did you find with re- spect to these unions? Mr. Sax. We were constantly becoming involved in jurisdictional problems. Mv. OwEXS. Did you bring any of it about yourself by your own actions? ^Ir. Sax. No. There was a statement made here by Mr. Doherty yesterday which I think should be clarified a bit, that the labor-rela- tions managers deliberately do these things. I don't think Mr. Doherty knows the men. I think he speaks without having knowl-