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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1209 Mr. Owens. You mean while it was pending before the NLRB? Mr. Sax. I think so. Mr. Owens. "\^'elI, you are a hibor relations man; would you not know ^ Mr. Sax. I am not too sure. Mr. Owens. You do not want me to have Mr. Dougherty's words come back in my ears, do you ? Mr. Sax. No, sir. Mr. Owens. I mean do you not recall what took place? Mr. Sax. Well, this case, as I understand—a strike occurred while this case was being heard or about to be heard, I believe. The strike occurred in March. Mr. Owens. That is the point I would want quite definite informa- tion on. Who struck while that matter was before the NLRB ? Mr. Sax. The conference of Studio Unions. Mr. Owens. Are they the ones who filed the complaint in the first instance? jNIr. Sax. I believe so; yes. Mr. Owens. You are always saying, 'T believe so, I think so." That does not mean a thing to me, really it does not. I am looking for information that you know about because I do not know who else to ask. I cannot ask the labor relations man. Mr. ZoRN. Mr. Owens^ could I suggest there are a lot of legal com- plications that Mr. Benjamin could clarify for you. Mr. Owens. Each time I speak to someone they refer to someone else. Of course I begin to forget just who it is that is going to give me the information. Mr. Sax. I think the lawyers could give you that information much better than I. Mr. Owens. On the labor relations? Mr. Sax. On the particular details of this case. INIr. Owens. They generally get in on it after the trouble starts. I am trying to find out just how the trouble started before the lawyers came in. Mv. Sax. As I say, on this particular case I believe they could give you more details and much better information. They are better qualified than I. Mr. Owens. The law3^ers are going to come on to testify? Mr. Sax. Yes, sir. Mr. Owens. It looks as though we will have to wait for them. That is all, Mr. Chairman. INIr. Ejearns. Mr. Counsel, do you have any questions? Mr. BoDLE. Mr. Chairman, I have some questions. Mr. JMcCann. Yes, sir; we have one question that has been sub- mitted by Mr. Levy. It is a rather long question. I hope you will pardon me for taking the time. Mr. Levy, of the lATSE counsel, asks this question: Did you not know that Mr. Walsh wrote the following letter as to his attitude concerning the so-called clarification? I will read the letter: Association of Motion Picturk Producers, Inc.. 5oOJf HoUyivood Boulevard, Hollywood, Calif. Gentlemen : I have received from President Green, of the American Federa- tion of Labor, a comnninication enclosing a copy of a statement described as