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1212 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. ZoRN. I think they may have moved in on their own motion because it was their custom at that time if there was a strike in viola- tion of labor's no strike pledge the War Labor Board, of course, was interested in getting it settled as quickly as possible. The War Labor Board then proceeded to appoint an arbitrator. The lATSE—the arbitrator started hearings on the coast on this issue sometime in the latter part of 1944: or the very early part of 1945, either January or early in February. Mr, Owens. After the strike was concluded ? Mr. ZoRN. The painters went back to work after a 3-day strike. This is a minor strike. I will come to the major strike in a moment. Mr. Owens. But the War Labor Board proceeded with hearings after the strike ended ? Mr. ZoRN. That is right. Mr. Owens. Why ? Mr. ZoRN. Apparently the strike was ended. As the War Labor Board practiced in those days they apparently assured the striking- parties they would get some form of relief. Apparently they agreed they would appoint an arbitrator to settle it. Mr. Owens. Now we are getting somewhere. Mr. ZoRN. I do not think anybody knows precisely. Mr. Owens. You are skipping some mighty important details. Mr. ZoRN. I just do not know them, Congressman. If Mr. Ben- jamin, who was out on the coast at the time knows that particular detail, he will supply it. I just want to give you the sequence without a lot of these con- clusions that have been entered into here. Mr. Owens. I am just breaking in when I think there is an im- portant matter which is being left out, to find out why they pro- ceeded this way, who brought it about and why they should continue after the strike ended. Mr. Zorn. Having practiced in many cases before the War Labor Board and knowing its procedures pretty well—I am guessing now— but I am pretty certain what happened was they were anxious to get this strike settled quickly. They gave certain assurances to the striking union that if the strike were over they would then proceed to dispose of this matter through the process of appointing an arbitrator. When they appointed this arbitrator, Mr. Tongue, he started hear- ings on the coast on this matter sometime I believe in January of 1945. The lATSE took the position immediately that the War Labor Board was utterly without jurisdiction to determine a question of jurisdiction between unions. They refused to appear at those hear- ings. The producers appeared but they took the same position for this reason: Under the powers of the War Labor Board, particularly Executive Order 9017, there is a specific provision. I do not have a copy with me but my recollection is very good. There is a specific provision there and also in the Stabilization Act of 1942 providing that the War Labor Board had no jurisdiction in essence to encroach upon the jurisdiction of the National Labor Eelations Board. There was a specific provision both in the Executive order and in the stat-