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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1245 instances of professional strikebreakers belonging to many unions. Mr. Owens. You mean when he works right in the union, the union which is doing the work for which it was formed ? Mr. SoRKELL, A strikebreaker is a man who goes in and steals his brother's job. Now, let's get that cleai'. If some stooge wants to give him a card, that still does not make him anything but a strike- breaker. Ml. 0^^^:NS. Now, you say you are thinking about the men. Are you placing the blame on the leadership of your union or the man who wants the job to support his family, which? ]Mr. SoRRELL. I am interested in the guy who works in the studios to supi)ort his family, but when he w^alks out, when he is forced out, to maintain his conditions, then I do not have an^^ use for the guy they bring in from Podunk to put in his place and to take his job while he is off, pending a settlement, to destroy his working condi- tions and his wages. Mr. Owens. You have not pointed out where anything like that occurred. Mr. SoRRELL. I haven't? Mr. Owens. No, you have just been using the term. Mr. SoRRELL. We will go back a little bit. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, may I call attention to the fact— and I am just trying to clarify things here—that evidence has been received in the record already that following the 1945 strike they were to replace the members of the conference of studio unions who were out on strike. Now, on the October 31 date, they were supposed to be replaced in their jobs. Now, what Mr. Sorrell is telling is that after these men were returned, they brought back 21 men who had been taking their places on jobs in the studios while they were out on strike, instead of bringing in 21 machinists of the union that had been replaced during the strike. I think that ought to clear it up. We have the president of the lAlNI here who is waiting to testify fully with respect to the effect on his union and who will give full information. Mv. Owens. In other words, counsel is trying to infer that these peo])le were out on an economic strike, were they not? JSIr. McCann. All I am giving you is facts. I am not giving you any argument at all. ^Ir. Owens. In other words, you say they did not comply with their contract ? ]Mr. Sorrell. The producers did not comply with the directive laid down in Cincinnati when they hired other people than lAM people to take the jobs. Mr. Owens. I do not remember anything that specifically said in that directive who was to be hired. ]Mr. Sorrell. Well, give me the directive, somebody, and I will read it to you. If I cannot make you understand in my language, I will have to use the lawyer's language, because you are a lawyer. Nevertheless it is a fact, if I can get it over to you. While they are producing that I will go on because I know we are pressed for time. 67383—48—vol. 2 14