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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1271 Mr. Owens. Did you make a request upon the carpenters at that time to give you any men ? Mr. BoKEX. We made repeated requests upon the carpenters, the painters, and the other strikinp; unions to return to work, to give us the men before we sought replacements. ]\[r. Owens. Your arrangement now with the stage hands is that under an open-shop contract, or are you proceeding under the act? Mr. BoREN. We are proceeding under the Taft-Hartley Act, as it applies to work in the carpenters', painters', and machinists' juris- dictions. ]N[r. OwExs. Have they asked for a union shop ? Mv. BoREN. Has the IA asked for a union shop ? Mr. OwExs. Yes. Mr. BoREN. The lA asked us, yes, to recognize the carpenters and painters, and we refused. IVIr. OwEXS. You say the lA asked you ? Mr. BoREN. Yes. ]\Ir. Owens. To recognize the carpenters and painters? INIr. BoREX. The men they had sent in to rephice the carpenters and painters, yes, they asked us. ]Mr. Oavens. I don't think you understand what I mean. I am asking, the ones you have your contract with, the lA, the stage hands, are you working under a union-shop agreement? Mv. BoREN. "With the stage hands ? Mr. Owens. Yes. Mv. Boren. No ; we have a closed-shop agreement. Mr. OwExs.' Oh, you have a closed-shop agreement? Mr. BoREX\ Yes. ISIr. Owens. In other words, that was placed in the contract back in 1944? Mr. BoREX. No, before that; that goes back to 1936. Mv. OwEXs. But the last contract was in 1944 ? ^Ir. BoREN. That is right. JSIr. OwEXs. And you expect to operate under that until when? Mr. Boren. Until its anniversary date, August 1949. Mr. Owens. Under the closed shop ? Mr. BoREN. Under the closed shop. August 10, 1949. Mr. Owens. That is the interpretation on it so far? Mr. BoREN. That is the advice I got from labor counsel. Mr. Owens. Well, we won't go into that. That is all, Mr. Chairman. ISIr. McCaxx. May I ask one question there? I think we need to make it a little clearer, Mr. Chairman, with respect to the refusal to contract, with reference to the carpenters and painters that have come into the studios since the incident of September 23,1946. As I understood you, Mr. Boren, you refused to sign a contract with machinists, painters, and carpenters who had been brought in since September 23. 1946; is that correct? Mr. BoREX. That is true. Mv. McCaxn. So that all of those replacements are working on a day-to-day basis in your plants? Mr. BoREN. That is true. Mr. Kearns. But thev belong to the lA ? Mr. BoREN. I don't think so, not all of them by any means. We don't call upon the lA for carpenters, painters, and set designers.