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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1275 Mv. BoKEN. I do not recall those things exactly as written there, but I recall the substance, yes. I am not trying to evade your question. Mr. McCann. Proceeding with the questions asked by Mr. Cobb Mr. BoDLE. Mr. Chairman, there is just one point I would like to make in view of the comment made by counsel over here. In the minutes of September 11, which is the date the ultimatum from the carpenters was given, there is a notation that the carpenters left the room at 3: 30. Then a few paragraphs after that statement, there is this notation: Kahane answered a phone call and on returning stated, "Brewer says instruc- tions to man the companies means furnish painters, carpenters and so forth." That apparently occurred immediately after the receipt of the ulti- matum. That is in the minutes of September 11. Mr. BoREisr. In the minutes of September 11—didn't it show Mannix was also in favor of closing the studios? Mr. Kearxs. Mr. jNIannix made that statement. Mr. BoREN". We made no conclusion on September the 11th as to what we were going to do. Mr. BoDLE. But they had already made inquiry of Mr. Brewer as to what his intentions were and whether he would provide help. Mr. McCaxn. My. Chairman, the record so shows, as read by Mr. Bodle. ^ INIr. Kearns. Proceed, please, with Mr. Cobb's questions. ;Mr. ;McCaxx. ;Mr. Cobb's question : "Were many of the men furnished you by the lATSE permittees, as distinguished from members? Mr. BoREX. I don't know. I never examined the records of the men. Mr. McCaxx. Are you operating now as an open shop with relation to carpenters? JNIr. BoREx. Yes. We hire people at our studio. Mr. McCaxx. Have you offered any employment to carpenters under their contracts since September 23, 1946 ? Mr. ZoRX. Under what contracts. INIr. McCann. may I ask? Mr. OwExs. I don't think anyone ought to break in, because counsel ma}' have a purpose in asking this question. H© may get a different answer, but it may be pertinent. I clo not think counsel ought to lead him in his answers. Mr. BoREX. Would you read the question again, Mr. McCann? Mr. ]McCaxx. Have you offered any employment to carpenters under their contracts since September 23,1946 ? Mr. BoREX. I do not understand the question. Mr. Kearxs. Did not the cai'i)enters have an existing contract at the time they refused to work on the "'hot'* sets? Mr. BoREX. That is a legal question again, Mr, Kearns, whether they did or did not have a contract. Mr. Kearxs. Tliey have insisted they did have, and j^ou have not made a decision on it. is that not correct ? Mr. BoREX. That is correct. You can bat those balls around for a long time. ]\rr. McCaxx. Have you offered carpenters work, provided they come under open sho]:)? Mr. BoREX. Provided they come under open shop?