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1290 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. McCann. That was in March ? Mr. TuOHY. That is right. So we were vitally interested. That is, in the studio they were figur- ing on putting picket lines around the different theaters and also the exchanges. It was our drivers out of the studios that made daily trips to the exchanges and also carried the film to the different premieres of the theaters, so we would be involved. I set in and listened and after the discussion, which did not last ovei: 45 minutes there, it was decided to wait until Mr. Beck came back. Mr. McCann. Do you mean to tell us that this charter was issued by the teamsters without the knowledge of Mr. Beck and without the knowledge of Mr. Tobin ? Mr. TuoHY. It was without the knowledge of Mr. Tobin. Wliether it was without the knowledge of Mr. Beck or not, I don't know. There was a lot of ducking and squirming over that charter being issued, so I am not going to say who issued the charter or who had the knowledge. I know Mr. Tobin did not know the charter had been issued. So he left after that meeting. Different representatives were there and I told them I thought it would be a very smart thing for them to back away from this charter and these people. Mr. McCann. The charter, though, had already been issued and the people had joined? Mr. TuoiiY. We found the charter was on its way to the joint coun- cil of the teamsters; yes. Mr. McCann. It had not been received yet in March ? Mr. TuoiiY. I had not seen it. In fact, I never did see any charter. Mr. McCann. But the managers were organized, and the charter was on its way? Mr. TuoHY. That is right. It could have been in Los Angeles at the time, but I would not have known that. In fact, I did not go into that. That is about all. Then I believe Mr, Beck came through and had discussions with Mr. Schenck, Mr. Skouras, and the rest of them. They stated that the teamsters had a lot of jurisdiction, that is, there were odd men in warehouses, men delivering films who were not carrying cards, and it was decided at that time that anybody who came under the teamsters' jurisdiction, they would be very happy to give to the teamsters and deal with them for that, but they did not want the man- agers, who they figured were their executives, put into an organiza- tion. Mr. Beck, and I believe Mr. Lahaney, and our international repre- sentative out there, Ira Mohne, had a number of meetings with Mr, Schenck. Now, whether Mr. Skouras was in there or not I do not know. But it was decided at that time they would put on a labor relations man, would keep them out of these different troubles and would know which way to go in labor disputes or labor matters. It was to my great surprise some weeks after I was offered that posi- tion, but that was because of my connections with the joint council of teamsters and had nothing whatsoever to do with local 399, or any actions in the studio. Mr, McCann, You had nothing to do with this local 399 which you say was the local of the managers ? Mr. TuoHY, No, 399 is the studio transportation drivers.