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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1299 Mr. Owens. It looks as though both sides trusted you fairly well. Mr. TuoHY. I don't know. Mr. Owens. I say tliat because if you are representing both sides at one time with a knowledge of each, that does represent a trust. Mr. TuoiiY. I would like to put in the record here also that I carry a life membership card with my local union. It was given to me after I left the union, so I left no bad feelings there by leaving. In fact, they were tickled to death to see me better myself. ]\Ir. Owens. Now yo\i as a num who is still a life member of a union and who still represents the studios Mr. TuoHY. The theaters, Mr. Owens. Mr. Owens. Yes; the theaters. I would like to have you tell me whether you know anything about any collusion or conspiracy be- tween the studios out there or the unions, as has been described here 2 Mr. TuoHY. All I know about any collusion or conspiracy is what I have heard in the testimony given here, Mr. Owens. I could form my opinion, but that would only be my opinion. I know of no con- spiracy with anybody to keep their people on the job. That is what the representatives of the unions are supposed to do, keep their people working. That is what I tried to do. Mr. Owens. From what I have observed here so far it appears that these unions, and particularly groups of the A. F. of L., are arguing with each other and keeping that tumult going on out in Hollywood; is that true ? Mr. TuoHY. That seems to be true; yes, sir. Sad as it is it is true. It has been going on for a number of years. Mv. Owens. Have you any suggestions as to how it could be stopped ? Mr. TuoHY. No. If I had I think I would have told them at the time. I could not see any way of getting the two groups together. They just did not feel like they wanted to get together. Mr. Owens. Do you think any national union is worth while if it cannot keep its own men, especially when they look to leadership as they indicated here, for advice—cannot make their own unions keep their contracts^ Do j'ou think they are worth while continuing in existence ? Mr. TuoiiY. I most certainly think my international union, and the only one I can speak for, was worth while. They kept us on the job. through all of those strikes, some seven or eight of them. We carried out our contract, as tough as it was at times, so certainly my inter- national is worth while. Let the rest of them speak for their inter- nationals, Mr. Owens. Mr. Owens. You evidently believe if a union does not keep its contract it should be subject to liability for failure to do so, and that is why you were trying to keep your contract, is that correct? Mr. TuoiiY. All I know is I was told to carry out the contract. That I did. I thought that was my job and my responsibility. Mr. Owens. That is all. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, do you have any questions from other counsel i ]Mr. McCann. I have some questions from Mr. Bodle, that have been sumitted. Mr. Bodle is counsel for the painters. Isn't it true that during the 1944 3-day strike only the set decorators were on strike and that no machinist walked out?