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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1313 Mr. Brown. I could not even jrive you an approximate date. I Avould not want to guess: I haven't the least idea. It is one of those maiiy details that I am not familiar with. In my oliice I have seven grand lodge representatives and the vice j)residents to assist me with the correspondence and because of the size of the organization we sj)ecialize in work, and much of that work does not come across my desk. Mr. Owens. You mean when one of your groups would become af- filiated with an organization out there, you would not know approxi- mately when that was? Mr. Bkowx. No. not locally: when you consider we have over 1,G()0 local unions and it is almost physically impossible for any interna- tional pi-esident to be familiar with the local alliances and the local federations that are locals participating with other unions in a par- ticular industry. It is one detail that relates to operation on the local level. The international is not very much concerned about it. Mr. Owens. You were familiar with what your work was supposed to be out there, were you not ? Mr. Browx. Will you repeat that, sir? Ml-. Owens. You were familiar with what your work was supposed to be out there ? Mr. Brown. Whatever came to our attention with respect to the activities of local No. 1185, then we knew it. Mr. Owens. Because you mentioned something about these arbi- trators having taken jurisdiction over matters which did not concern them, therefore you must have been fully familiar with what was happening out there? Mr. Brown. I was familiar with the agreement negotiated between the lA and the I. A. of M. for the moving picture theaters. After the arbitration committee made that award then I was advised from time to time of the extent of the tour of duty of our membership m the studios. I then learned that our members always did the work. Mr. Owens. Then what particular matters regarding your union were up before that arbitration board, the three-member board ? Mr. Brown. The issue that the arbitration board was to handle was the dispute in the machine shop of M-G-M. I did not participate in the arbitration hearings. Mr. Owens. How do you know just what they were to handle with respect to your union? Mr. Brown. Because they were assigned to handle the disputes then in existence. The only dispute in existence between the lA and the I. A. of M. was the disjmte at the machine shop of M-G-M, the only dispute. Mr. Owens. But your group was associated with another organiza- tion that had a dispute about quite a number of other things, was it not ? Mr. Brown. The machinists in Hollywood were associated with the Conference of Studio Unions. That did not interfere with each craft's autonomous rank. Mr. OwExs. But you are supporting them and ready to go out for any difficulties they might have with the producers, were you not? Mr. Brown. WTien they established a picket line, our membership, pursuant to the local bylaws, refused to cross the picket line.