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1322 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES They took that out of an agreement that was written to apply to motion-picture houses. I do not know why they wrote that into the award, because that question was not involved in the dispute. In Hollywood we did that at all the studios. Mr. Owens. Mr. Brown, if you do not know who did it between March and October of 1945 Mr. Brown. What has that got to do with the rights of the two organizations ;ind the two unions who were contending for this work and whose case went before that board ? Mr. Owens. I do not know, except that they seem to have given it to somebody who had been doing the work, Mr. Kearns. Let me clear that for you. Will you relinquish the chair for a moment, please ? Mr. Brown. Certainly. Mr. Kearns. Will you come to the chair a moment, Mr. Walsh, please ? TESTIMONY OF RICHARD F. WALSH, INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT OF THE lATSE, NEW YORK, N. Y.—Recalled Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, I think it is understood Mr. Walsh is international president of the lATSE. Mr. McCann. I do not think it is necessary to ask any furth.ei' ques- tions. He has already been identified. Mr. Kearns. The reason I called a'ou here is tliis: The charge m;ule by Mr. Brown was that the dispute was in the M-G-M shop out there. His contention was that when the directive was handed down it sliould have dealt with the one case rather than the industry. Mr. Owens has brought up the question here of who carried on the work Avhen tliey were not in there doing it. Evidently Mv. Brown did not want to make a statement as to who was doing it. Knowing that you have rnost of the crafts in the studio perhaps you could inform Mr. Owens as to who did that work when they were not tliere. jNIr. A¥alsh. That was done by members of the lATSE known as the cine technicians, Mr. Kearns. They were not machinists? Mr. Walsh. No, we gave them the title of cine technicians and under that title they would do some machine work. Mr. Kearns, Is it true that the dispute was onlv in the one shop, Mr. Walsh? Mr. Walsh. No, sir. We presented the dispute to this board of arbitration. We contended they should award to us the entire juris- diction of the machinists' work in the studios. We claimed it alU mainly because of the fact that this organization had been suspended from the American Federation of Labor, We were affiliated with the American Federation of Labor and all of the craft in the studio were A. F. of L. people. Mr, Kearns, You felt you had a right to move in and claim it as one of your jurisdictions because they were not operating as machin- ists, is that correct ? Mr. AValsh. That is correct. We had the right to claim it because we had been doing it from March until October, We sought the Avork