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1326 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Owens. But you sent a wire to Mr. Johnston about it on April 4, 1946, did you not? Mr. Brown. That is correct. Mr. Owens. So you did know those people were working in there ? Mr. Brown. Yes; but I did not definitely know where they came from. Mr. Owens. What did you do about it then? Did your men con- tinue to work there ? Mr. Brown. Yes; after our executive council granted strike sanction to our people to strike if they did not remove those undesirables from those shops, our members still marked time, believing that something would happen to change the situation, and thej^ kept on waiting. Mr. Owens. Do you expect me to believe these men are all you claimed a few moments ago and your men continued to work with them ? Mr. Brown. Mr. Owens, I am answering your question. If you don't believe it, that is entirel}^ up to you. Mr. Owens. But when terms you use are applied to men and you feel that way about men, I shouldn't think you would work in the same shop with them; but you did, didn't you ? Mr. Brown. I have repeated several times that our members did; yes. They continued to work. Some quit rather than work there. Mr. Owens. How many quit ? Mr. Brown. A few. I can't give you the exact number. Mr. Kearns. ]\Ir. Owens, these other gentlemen have all that data for us. Mr. Owens. But this man put it in his statement. He sent a tele- gram to Mr. Johnston, as though he knew all about it. I am only examining him on his statement. He should know what is in his own statement. Mr. Brown. Mr. Owens, I know what is in the .statement. Mr. Johnston agreed with me. Mr. Johnston agi-eed they should not have been put in the shop, and Mr. Johnston further told me that the pro- ducers would not remove us from the shop because the I. A. threatened to strike if they did remove them from the shop. It is not a question of who they were. Mr. Owens. But right at that point, j^ou said they did not wi.sh to discontinue the conspiracy. What conspiracy are you talking about ? Mr. Brown. Repeat that again. Mr. Owens. You say here on page 6: Obviously the producers did not wish to discontinue the conspiracy. What conspiracy are you talking about ? Mr. Brown. The conspiracy I refer to, or the incident I refer to as a conspirac}^, is by removing those 21 men in there. I contend they conspired for the purpose of creating a condition so our people would leave the shop and give them an opportunity to bring some moi-e .strikebreakers in there in the hope that they could operate their machine shop without doing business with the I. A. of M. Mr. Owens. Then your statement as to what constitutes a con- spiracy is a continued retention of those men whom they had hired before ? Mr. Brown. Because of what their objective was, in my opinion. Mr. Owens. In A^our opinion? Mr. Brown. Yes.