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1330 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Kearns. Just a minute. Mr. Levy. I get the sense of it. I am no child here either. Mr. ICearns. All right, please, now. Mr. Levy. Say that to both of us. Mr. Kjearns. Please read the question. Mr. McCann. I read the question, Mr. Chairman. I am trying to read everybody's questions in the same tone of voice that it is given to me. I am trying to state the questions that are given to me by these lawyers. I do not see why an argument should be held when I read the man's question. Mr. Kearns. That's right; let's go ahead. Mr. McCann. I will read the question again, exactly as it is. Did not the lAM register a complaint with the A. F. of L. against the carpenters' union ? Mr. Brown. When and what kind of complaint? Mr. Kearns, Just answer that yes or no. That is all you can do. Mr. Brown. I can't answer that question, because it is impossible. Not that I don't want to. Mr. Owens. Mr. Chairman, the first question was clear and to the point. There was no need to evade it by saying in the Hollywood jurisdiction. I would construe the question was ansAvered by saying they did register complaints as to what took place in other parts of the United States but had no complaint in Hollywood; unless their witness were to say something to the contrary I think we would have a right to assume that is true. Air. Brown. Mr. Chairman, I am not trying to evade. I don't want to be helpful to those who believe they can drive a peg between the machinists and carpenters in Hollywood. There is a mistaken idea here and in many sections of the public. We were not suspended from the A. F, of L. because of disputes with the carpenters or any other international union. The machinists' union had a dispute with the executive council of the American Fed- eration of Labor. We took no complaint against the carpenters or any other union into the A. F. of L., not since this controversy arose in 1938. We did haA'e a controversy with the executive council of the A. F. of L., and it was because of that controA^ersy we deferred pay- ment of the per capita tax, and after a tiuie the}- suspended us because we deferred payment of the per capita tax. Now, no matter how many questions are asked, the carpenters and machinists in Hollywood are working as brothers, and they are going to continue to. Mr. Kearns. I tliink that is a fair statement. Mr. MgCann. Didn't the A. F. of L. convention decide tl'at the car- penters' union discontinue passing upon the jurisdiction of the machin- ists' union ? Mr. Brown. By resolution in 1914 they did. Mr. McCann. Didn't (he carpenters' union jgnoro the A. F, of L. convention decision ? Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. McCann. Didn't William L. Hutcheson, international presi- dent of the carpenters, notify the executive council of the A. F. of L. that the carpenters' union would not accept the A. F. of L. convention decision relating to the jurisdiction of the machinists' union?