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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1331 Mr. Browx. In substance, yes. Mr. jNIcCaxn. Didn't Mr. Hutcheson inform President William Green, of the A. F. of L., that the carpenters would stop paying per capita tax to the A. F. of L. unless Mr. Green would stop officially con- firniino; tlie machinist-union jurisdiction? Mr. Browx. That is public knowledge. It is in that convention pro- ceedings, and the convention proceedings are public documents. j\Ir. McCaxx. Isn't it a fact that i-ather than tell the carpenters* union that the A. F. of L. executive council would not be intimidated by demands and threats from a union which refuses to abide by the convention decision, the executive council resorted to appeasement and yielded to the demands of the carpenters' union? Mv. Browx. Repeat that question again; it is confusing. Mr. McCaxx. I am sorry, I cannot read all of counsel's writing. I apologize to all of them. ]\Ir. Levy. JNIay I read it in print for you—from Mr. Brown's printed article ? It might refresh his recollection. His picture is here. Mr. McCaxx. I am trying to read your questions faithfully, sir, and that is all I can do. Mr. OwExs. It is a good-looking picture. Mr. McCaxn. Isn't it a fact that rather than tell the carpenters' union that the A. F. of L. executive council would not be intimidated by demands and threats from a union which refuses to abide by the convention decision, the executive council resorted to appeasement and yielded to the demands of the carpenters' union? Mr. Browx. I believe something along that line I embodied in an article when I was given a column in our official organ. Mr. McCaxx. Therefore, your organization refused to pay, or sus- pended payment, of the per capita tax to the A. F. of L. and was sus- pended by the A. F. of L. ? Mr. Browx. Will you repeat that again, Mr. McCann ? Mr. McCaxx. Therefore, your organization refused to pay, or sus- pended payment, of per capita tax to the A. F. of L., and was sus- pended by "the A. F. of L. ? ISIr. Browx. Is that a question ? Mr. McCaxx. That is a question. That is based upon the question before. Mr, Browx. Again I say I do not want to refuse to divulge informa- tion. If it is proper that ^'^ou must have that information, I must confess I do not quite understand that inquiry. I repeat again, the grand lodge, fii'st by direction of the executive council, then by the commission, then by reference to the membership, decided they would defer payment of the per capita tax until the machinists* union got the same treatment that was accorded to all other unions. Mr. Levy. I am quoting from what he said in his article. I will offer the article if Mr. McCann will take it. It is written by Mr, Brown. It is word for word from the article. Every question was based upon Mr. Brown's own article. Mr. Kearxs. Let me see the article. jVIr. ^McCaxx. You must pardon me, but so far as I know, gentle- men, on both sides of the table and all of you, I have not turned down