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1338 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Brown. I read excerpts from them. I cannot answer the ques- tion because the question, as I understand, is to ascertain from me whether I believed a conspiracy existed on the basis of those minutes. I never so testified. Mr. McCann. All right, that is satisfactory. Any other ques- tions ? Mr. Owens. Just one question on that basis. Do I understand there is anything more in your statement of con- spiracy except what you have said, and Avhat you said was contained in the hearings of September 2, 1947? Mr. Brown. AVliat I heard in that hearing and what I heard from a witness from the ranks of supervision whose name I cannot recall. He testified yesterday. Mr. Kearns. You mean Mr. Boren ? Mr. Brown. Something like "Jacks." Mr. Kearns. Sax ? Mr. Brown. Yes, Sax, He made a statement which clicked in my mind that there was a conspiracy. Mr. Kearns. Wliat statement was that? Mr. Brown. The statement that they knew in advance, or words to that effect, what would happen if they assigned these men to the so-called hot sets, and they were to discharge them. Mr. KiiARNS. Did we have that in the hearing yesterday? Mr. Owens. I remember it clearly. In other words, they had been told about September 11 that the men would not work and that they then invited the men to work and prepared their checks a day in advance, then handed them to them when they would not do the work ? Mr. Brown. No, not that testimony, but something along that same line. The reason I believe it is conspiracy is because from what I have heard here, and what I have read, is that members of the lA and members of the teamsters had refused to do certain work, be- cause some people were performing certain operations, but I did not hear any testimony that they were discharged. But when the carpenters and painters refused to do it, they got discharged. It don't make sense to me. Mr. Kearns. Can't you find the statement ? Mr. McCann. If you want me to get the testimony of Mr. Sax, I can find it. Mv. Owens. I remember the testimony, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kearns. I want the right words. If lie is going to make a charge on that, I want the right wording there. Let the witness read it himself. Mr. McCann. I am trying to find that portion for him. Mr. Owens. While you are looking for that, Mr. McCann, I sliould like to ask a question. "V^^iat wording in the September 2, 1947, memorandum would give you any thought there was a conspiracy 'i Mr. Brown. I would have to have the proceedings examined. I recall tliere were one or two statements made by Mr. Brewer which convinced me there was collusion. Mr. Owens. I have them here. I will find Mr. Brewer's testimony. Here is the testimony of INIr. Brewer. After you leave the stand you may try to find that and then we will ask you questions about it.