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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1367 TESTIMONY OF RICHARD F. WALSH—Recalled Mr. Kearns. Would you clear up this one situation at M-G-M about two cards as far as the lATSE is concerned? Mr. Walsh. The lATSE does not require them to hold a machinists' card and an lATSE card at M-G-M. Mr. Kearns. Was that back in 1937 ? Mr. Walsh. At any time, whether it be 1937 or whether it be now. They confused this issue to the extent that these men work on making props and these men carry the two cards for their own advantage. One week they may be working making props and the next week they may be making adding machines. Mr. Kearns. Maybe you can clear this up for us. As I understand it, a man working there is employed for 1 day only; is that correct? Mr. Walsh. In some cases. Mr. Kearns. In most cases? Mr. Walsh. I think in the machine shop they are most steadily emplo5^ed. Mr. Kearns. Would you say the reason they took their lA card out was to have additional employment if there were no steady employment in the machine shop? Mr. Walsh. That I would say would be correct. They have two chances for employment. They can work as machinists and they can work as property builders. Mr. Kearns. Then they were not in any way denying their loyalty to the machinists in taking out an lA card because it was a different operation of work? Mr. Walsh. I would say they were not. Mr. Kearns. That clears it. Mr. McCann. Before I ask these questions that have been proposed, Mr. Chairman, may I have a ruling on this? We have two witnesses that I do not think will take a great deal of time, from the stationary engineers, Mr. Hill and Mr. Wilson. I know Mr. Lindelof will be in town Monday. I thought if it was agreeable with you, we could have Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Lindelof, and Mr. Sorrell testify, then let Mr. Walsh follow them on Monday, if that order is agreeable. Mr. KJEARNS. That is a big order for Monday. TESTIMONY OF D. T. WAYNE—Resumed IVIr. IVIcCann. Mr. Levy asked the following questions, Mr. Wayne. Read the law of your local union about not going through a picket line. Mr. Wayne. I am unable to do that at this time. I do not have a copy of the laws. iNIr. McCann. There is a request here for it. I will make that re- quest a little bit later. When was that law adopted, if you know ? Mr. Wayne. It was either 1938 or 1939. Mr. Owexs. Mr. ]McCann. while we are on that, could we also have the internationars bylaws and when that was put in effect in the international ? Mr. McCann. The international does not have a law, as I under- stand it.