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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1371 Mr. McCann. Has Mr. Walsh ever indicated in your presence that he claims the jurisdiction of the machinists in the studios? Mr. Wayne. Many times. It was said today, right in this room, that he protested the machinists being in the studios at all, that it all belonged to the lATSE. Mr. McCann. A question by Mr. Zorn and something for me to read: Did not the treaty of Beverly Hills contain the following: It was agreed to let each studio interpret the directive and award the work where, in its judgment, it belongs under the directive, and no work stoppage will be ordered for next 30 days or until the arbitration machinery is set up. Mr. Wayne. I cannot answer that of my own knowledge. That is the impression I have. Mr. Zorn. Mr. McCann, would you mind putting into the record those provisions on no work stoppages in the Beverly Hills treaty ? I know Mr. Owens has not heard them yet. Mr. JNIcCann. Mr. Zorn calls attention to the fact that the quota- tion he has indicated comes from the Beverly Hills treaty. That is all, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kearxs. Thank you, Mr. Wayne. We appreciate your coming here and the testimony that you have offered. ]Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, may we have a 5-minute recess? Mr. Kearns. We will take a 5-minute recess. (A short recess was taken.) ]\Ir. Kearns. The hearing will come to order. Mr. Hill, will you take the stand ? TESTIMONY OP AETHUR D. HILL, JR., ASSISTANT TO THE GENERAL PRESIDENT, INTERNATIONAL UNION OP OPERATING ENGINEERS, WASHINGTON, D. C. (The witness was duly sworn.) Mr. Kearns. Will counsel identify the witness? Mr. ]McCann. Will you please state your name and your address? Mr. Hill. My name is Arthur D. Hill, Jr. My address is 1003 K Street N W., Washington, D. C.; telephone number is National 9265. Mr. McCann. What position, if any, do you hold in a labor union? Mr. Hill. I am assistant to the general president of the Interna- tional Union of Operating Engineers. Mr. McCann. Will you please state briefly what 3'ou have to say to the committee? Mr. Hill. It is my purpose to make a brief introductory statement outlining the position of the International Union of Operating En- gineers in regard to the studios in Hollywood, and then to ask Mr. L. O. Wilson, labor-relations representative of locals 12 and 63, to speak for those local unions, and to give j^ou the detailed information which you require. The position of the operating engineers in the Hollywood studios has always been extremely weak. Because of the small number of engineers needed in the studios when they first started, the inter- national union never possessed enough economic strength to negotiate a contract with any of the studios. We have had many of our members working in the studios before tlie strike. They were working there as individuals and not under a collective-bargaining agreement nego- tiated between our international and the producers.