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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1373 without ail}' names. Do you have ai\y objection to that, JNIr. Cliairman ? Mr. Kkarns. Before rulino- on that, let me ask this: How serious wouhl tliis situation be if these names became known? ^Ir. Wilson. We have held several meetings of our membership employed in the motion picture studios. Someone always notifies the i:)eople in the studios of the people attending our meetings and immediately they are laid off. Mr. Owens. Mr. Chairman, may I ask: These names are supposed to be of whom ? Mr. Wilson. These are members of our organization. Some of them have been employed in the studios the affidavits and the books will show since 1924. Mr. Owens. You mean we are going to accept affidavits at this hearing? Mr. Kearns. These are affidavits of membership. Mr. Wilson. xVnd the conditions under which they work. Mr. Owens. They would be statements by someone we are not going to cross-examine ? Mr. McCann. Mr. Owens, may I explain, he testified before us in Hollywood that they had members in the studios who were required to carry four cards in order to earn a livelihood in the studio. When we were there we were interested in the over-all problems of the studios. The stationary engineers w^ere not permitted to appear before the three-man committee. They were not given a hearing by the three- man committee. Their problems were not considered by the council at Cincinnati in October 1945. These men appealed to us that they had been deprived of bargain- ing rights and their men had been forced to use as many as four cards to work in the studios. Mr. Kearns and I requested them to furnish us proof of that. Now he has the proof, requesting that the names of the men be left out of the record, to preserve their jobs in the studios. I cannot see that that isn't fair. Mr. Oavens. I do not think we are entitled to accept affidavits of people whom we do not have a chance to cross-examine. There have been so many general statements made in this hearing I do not feel that all the conclusions made, even the previous witness, Mr. Wayne, who was certainly a fine, straight-forward witness—he him- self admitted many of these things are just by information and belief. Mr. Wilson. Mr. Owens, the information I have here is actual books, actual receipts. The information I have is the information that your committee requested that I present. Mr. Oavtns. That is not the point I was making. The point is that the witness here can only give information he has himself, that he knows of his own knowledge, not that he heard someone else say. It seems to me if you want to call some of these other witnesses they ought to come in, sit down here and state it. I have a job here and all the Congressmen have. If anyone has a complaint that is a good American way to handle it, to have it right out in the open. If anybody deprives them of their job. that can be handled after that, 67383—48—vol. 2—22