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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1375 Mr. Wilson. That is true. Mr. Owens. Then if you would ask it and put the proof in, then the test would be whether you get opposition from the management or in any way attempt to discourage you, then they would be guilty of an unfair labor practice. Mr. Wilson. That is true. For the benefit of Mr. Owens—I do not know whether he under- stands it or not—we did not request to be present at this hearing. Mr. Kearns. That is right, it was at my request. Mr. Wilson. The committee requested us to be here with this evi- dence ; that is why we are here. Mr. Owens. There is a big record already where you are investigat- ing certain points here, but I am suggesting if there is some matter of dispute that should be with the National Labor Relations Board we would have some right to handle it Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I think I ought to add this: One of the things which has been discussed repeatedly by members of the committee is that it is an unconscionable thing that labor men should have to carry two or three cards in order to get employment, or that they should have to join several labor unions in order to keep employed. It was my thought that in the report of the subcommittee we might want to refer to the fact in Hollywood some of these men were re- quired to carry three or four cards, and that we might refer the matter to the committee of the whole and to the Congress as something which the Congress might want to take action on—that no union man who belongs to a recognized labor union shall be required to carry more than one union card in order to have employment. Mr. Owens. You could not decide that on affidavits submitted by someone else. You would have to decide that on testimony sub- mitted by the men themselves, provided we decided it was material to the issue. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel and Congressman Owens, I will settle this matter in a very quick way. I have never discussed this with the Honorable Fred A. Hartley, Jr., chairman of the full committee. Mr. Wilson, I accept your presentation here today. I will not break the seal on it until after I confer with Mr. Hartley. If Mr. Hartley so instructs me to do it, then I will do it. Otherwise I will see that they are returned to you in their present state. Mr. ZoRx. Mr. Chairman, may I ask just one question to clear up my mind on this? Do I understand the statement of Mr. McCann before that one of the reasons he would have this committee accept affidavits without names is because of some fear of incrimination or discrimination or discharge by the employers ? Do I understand that, Mr. McCann ? Mr. McCann. I did not say that, sir. The witness said it. Mr. Kearns. The witness said that, Mr. Zorn. Mr. McCann. That is the testimony of Mr. Wilson, that if it were known in the studios that the affidavits of these men were accepted here thev would lose their jobs. I did not say that, Mr. Zorn. I am only trying to make available to the committee the information contained there with respect to books, dues cards, and affidavits for such value as the committee may find therein.