Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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1376 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIOXAL DISPUTES As I understand it, it does not affect the studios at all. It is a matter of union conflict. It is a matter of jurisdiction. Mr. ZoRN. From your point of view I undertsand that, Mr. McCann, but I understand these affidavits will contain certain charges against the producers which could easily, if they were true, have been filed with the National Labor Eelations Board at anv time before or after the Taft-Hartley Act. I would strenuously object to getting into this record any statement of charges against the producers without the opportunity to have the witness hear. Mr. Owens. You need not worry. I am sure the majority of the other members will feel the same as you about that matter. There is not going to be a record here that is not open to the public and that everyone will not have an opportunity to refute in the regular way. Is not that right, Mr. Chairman? Mr. Kearns. That is right, Mr. Owens. That is Avhy I made the decision as to presenting it to Mr. Hartley, the chairman of the full' committee, Mr. Zorn. I hope Mr. Wilson understands my decision upon that. Do you undertsand the situation? Mr. Wilson. Oh, yes, I understand it. Mr. Kearns. Do you have any objection to that or would you like to keep it in your custody until after I confer with Mr. Hartley about it? That would be perfectly agreeable with me. In fact, I would rather have you keep it in your custody. Mr. Wilson. I think so. Mr. Kearns. All right, we will leave it that way. You will retain custody of it until after I discuss it with Mr. Hartley. Mr. McCann. Have you anything further to say, sir? Mr. Wilson. Just a minute, sir. Mr. Levy. May I ask this question, Mr. Chairman : Did I understand Mr. McCann to say what is proposed to be proved here is something that the unions have been doing? Mr. Kearns. Now, I want to get this straight. When we were on the west coast I was astounded to find out that the men had to carry four cards in order to have a job. I asked Mr. Wilson to furnish me with proof of where a man had to carry four cards in order to have a job in Hollywood in the motion-picture studios. He came here with this information and then made the request, upon his being sworn in here, that these namei^ not be made public because the men would lose their jobs, then we have had this discus- sion. You know as much about it as I do up to this point. I then made the ruling I would not open the books or take any official action on it until after I discussed it with Mr. Hartley, the chairman of the full committee. Mr. Levy. My notion, Mr. Chairman, was this was merely adding to the jurisdictional problems in Hollywood, rather than seeking to solve them. Mr. Kearns. That may be true. However, I have made a state- ment which I will stay with. Mr. Wilson. Mr. Chairman, there is one more observation I would like to make here. It is not the intention of the engineers organization to object to its members carrying two or three cards,