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MOTIOX-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1377 or as iiiany cards as they want to pack, provided they do not have to pack more than one card, they are not forced to carry more than one card to do engineer's work. Now if a man for his own benefit wants to take a card in any other craft, provided it is not a dual organization, to do any other type of work, prop making or any other type of work, that is his privilege. We do not object to that. Mr. Owens. May I ask a question, Mr. Chairman ? Mr. Kearns. Certainly. Mr. OwExs. Mr. Wilson, have you any personal knowledge of that situation as gained from any official of the companies or one of the officials of the unions? Mr. AViLSOx. I do not know what you mean. Mr. Owens. Who told you it is necessary for men to carry more than one card? Mr. Wilson. Our membership. Mr. Owens. I mean officials of the companies or officials of these other unions? Mr. Wilson. No, no. Mr. Owens. So that these men themselves would really have to give us that testimony, that they were ordered to do that by some union official or by someone in the company ? Mr. Wilson. That is right. Mr. Owens. So therefore we would have to consider your statement merely hearsay until we get some proof, provided it is essential to any issue in this case, of course? Mr. Wilson. I just submitted the evidence the committee asked for. Mr. Owens. I understand that, but while you are here I wanted to find out if you have any information of your own knowledge, based upon talks with the heads of any of the unions or any of the com- panies, or anj'body connected with the company in an rfficial capacity? Mr. ]McCann. Mr. Chairman, on that he has stated he only has in- formation from his own members; that he does not have any from anyone else, and that he has the cards and books of those members and the affidavits of those members. I think we have covered that very fully. Ml-. Owens. I did not cover his personal knowledge fully, Mr. McCann. Mr. Kearns. He stated he had made request on the producers to recognize their union. Mr. Owens. I hope I never come to the point where I will accept affidavits of any kind in a congressional hearings as evidence. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Wilson, I will excuse you, and if you will keep cus- tody of these records and affidavits until I inform you as to whether or not I will be permitted to accept them, it will be appreciated. Mr. McCann. I have one question to ask which has been submitted by Mr. Hill, if you have no objection: Have you ever protested this to the company or to the lATSE ? 1 think he has answered it. Mr. Wn^soN. I answered that question at the hearing. I protested and our organization has protested. Mr. McCann. Thank you. That is all. Mr. Kearns. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.