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1384 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Vice President Hutctieson stated it would be a fallacy for bim to attempt to force members of tbe carpenters in Hollywood to comply witb the decision of this committee unless these members agreed to do so for tbe reason that if he should tell them they had to do it and they refused, the only procedure he could take would be to expel them from the brotherhood, revoke their charter, and in that case the lATSE would immediately take them as members because they now have some 40 or more expelled members of the carpenters in their organiza- tion. So it would be ridiculous for him to try to force the members of the brotherhood. Vice President Hutcheson stated he had sent word to his local out in Holly- wood that it is up to them entirely. If they want to accept this decision it is all right. If they do not want to accept it it is all right. In oher words, it is left in their hands. Now, Mr. Chairman, do you want me to keep on talking before you ask any questions ? Mr. Keaens. Go ahead. Mr. McCann. May I ask one question there, Mr. Chairman ? Mr. Kearns. Go ahead. Mr. McCann. By the fact that you left it in their hands are you indicating that there is Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. McCann, would you come up a little closer, please? Mr. McCann. Are you indicating there is autonomy in your local unions ? Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. McCann, our members have local autonomy. Tn the various cities where we have local unions, where we have two or more local unions, they must form and maintain a district council which is a centralized authority for all the locals of that locality. Where we have no district council our individual locals have local autonomy to the extent of determining for themselves what their hours, their wages, and their working conditions shall be. Mr. Landis. May I ask a question, Mr. Chairman? Mr. Kearns. Mr. Landis. Mr. Landis. The first question was. Did you agree to go along with whatever decision this three-man committee made? Mr. Hutcheson. I will answer in this way, Mr. Landis: I was and still am a member of the executive council of the American Federation of Labor and I voted for that procedure. But I just read the objection of our international as to why we could not accept it because they had had no opportunity to present our case. In other words, it was a finding on an ex parte presentation. Mr. Landis. The point I was trying to get at was, if all parties agreed to go along with the decision of the committee, then I won- dered why you did not go along. Mr. Hutcheson. Because I had no opportunity to present our case to the committee. Mr. Landis. Wliy did you agree to go along in the first place? Mr. Hutcheson. Because I expected the gentlemen would be manly enough to let every contestant or everyone that was involved in the controversy present a case to them. Mr. Landis. How come you did not get to appear? Mr. Hutcheson. I just read the statement, Mr. Landis. Mr. Landis. You said you did not get to appear. I wondered why you did not get to appear before the committee before the decision was made.