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1388 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES The second session on the same day was given to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. The third session was given to the United Association of Plumbers and Steamfitters of the United States and Canada. That was on the morning of December 5. The fourth session was given to the International Union of Build- ing Service Employees. That was the afternoon of December 5. The fifth session was given to the International Association of Machinists. That was on Thursday morning, December 6. The sixth session was of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America. That was on the afternoon of December 6. Mr. Owens. Do you have an actual hearing for the brotherhood on the afternoon of December 6 ? Mr. McCaxn. Oh, yes. They heard the Brotherhood of Carpenters, the three-man committee did. Mr. Landis. I thought they were not heard. Mr, HuTCHESOisr. Mr. Chairman, excuse me. Could I correct the record to say this: President Knight of that committee, after arriving in California, or some time before he arrived, asked me to have a representative of the brotherhood contact him to be of any assistance that he possibly could. The records Mr. McCann mentions, I be- lieve, will show that our representative, Joe Cambriano, contacted the committee and told them that anything he could do to assist him while he was there, he was quite willing to do so and he was at their Fervice. But it was with the distinct understanding—and I think the report will show that-—^he further stated it was with the understanding that he was not representing the brotherhood other than to the extent of endeavoring to assist them and that before they reached a conclusion on the brotherhood's position they were to hear the general president. That is the only reason he appeared before theip. I would like to have that go on record. Mr. Kearns. Is that so stated in the hearing? Mr. McCanx. I am not sure, sir, but I have a vague recollection it was. I am not positive and I will not say that it was so stated. Mr. Laxdis. Mr. Chairman, without reading the testimony, did they give any reason there in tlie testimony when the carpenters testified, as to work on the sets or anything like that? Mr. Kearxs. Mr. Hutcheson, do you have the exact place in the testimony on the west coast where they objected to the directive there? Mr. HuTCHESOx. What is that? Mr. Kearxs. Do you have any testimony there you would like to read from that hearing? Mr. Hutcheson. No. Mr. Kearxs. Mr. Cambriano's testimony ? Mr. Laxdis. The point I want to make was developed in the testi- mony which the representative of the carpenters gave. Did he give any explanation about work on the sets? Mr. McCaxx. Mr. Chairman, may I answer that, if you do not mind? Mr. Landis, we have voluminous exhibits which were received in evidence by the three-man committee from all the contesting unions. I tried to find for Mr. Levy on Saturday the exhibit of one of the