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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1389 unions, Mr. Levy, you will recall you asked for it and I could not find it. Mr. Levy. I know the carpenters submitted voluminous affidavits and photographs. Mr. McCann. That is correct. Mr. Lea^'. The largest batch of exhibits submitted to the three- man committee was submitted by the carpenters' organization. Those exhibits are in your office, Mr. McCann. Mv. McCann. Oh, yes. Mr, Levy. Tliey were submitted by the carpenters. Mr, McCann. May I proceed and give you the rest of this so it will be in the record at one place ? INIr, Kearns, Very well. Mr. McCann. The sixth session, as I recall, was the afternoon of December 6. The seventh session was held on December 7. It was with the lATSE. That was Friday morning. The eighth session was held on Friday. It does not say a. m. or p. m. but it is obviously p. m., with the lATSE. The ninth session was held on Saturday and it was with the liVTSE, which completes the testimony that was received before the three- man committee. Mr, Levy, Tliere is a correction. Saturday the committee, includ- ino- the carpenters and all their representatives, visited the studio. Air. McCanx. Excuse me, ISIr. Chairman, that has nothing to do with the testimony. Mr. Kearns. That is all I asked for. Mr. McCann. On Saturday, December 8, 19i5, there is a volume of testimony taken from the lATSE. Mr. Kearns. Now we go back to Mr. Landis' question. Mr. Landis. The question was, as I understood a while ago, the carpenters did not get a chance to appear. According to this the carpenters appeared on December 6 and gave their side of the story. I wondered about the work on the sets, what part was to go to the carpenters and what part was to go to the stage hands. Mr. Hutciieson. Mr. Chairman, in reply to Congressman Landis, my understanding is that our representative, Cambriano, that I di- rected to contact the committee and assist if he could, did so but with the distinct understanding when he first contacted them it was under- stood he was only there to render what assistance he could; that no decision would be made until the general president had an opportu- nity to appear before that committee. Now it is my further understanding he did go with the group, I believe they went through one studio. I do not have the records here so I am not an authority on that because I am not clear on it; but they did present some pictures of work that was contended for by our members. That was not presenting our case by any means. Mr. Landis, But you knew the committee was meeting; you were supposed to be there, then. Why weren't you there ? Mr, HuTCUESON, Mr, Chairman, liave I got to go back and read these communications again to tell him why I didn't come there? Mr. Landis. I want to get this perfectly clear. You knew your carpenter representative was there. 673S3—48—vol. 2 23