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1390 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. HuTCHESON. Why I sent him there to help the committee if he could, but not to present the case of the Brotherhood of Carpenters. Mr. Landis. I understood he presented the case, part of the case anyway. Mr. HuTCHESON. Well, Mr. Chairman, I am like the Dutchman, "macht nicht aus." Mr. Owens. Well, Mr. Hutcheson, they did present 75 pages of it. Unfortunately, Mr. Cambriano from the beginning to the ending of the proceeding did not mention anything about the fact that he was not presenting the case of the carpenters in full. Mr. HuTCHESOx. Congressman Owens, let me make this plain to you, if I can in my humble, ignorant way. When he appeared before the committee the first thing he told them was that he was there on instructions of the general president to assist them if he could, but not to present the full case of the brotherhood; further, that it was with the understanding and only on that understanding that he would help—perhaps not that word, but with that meaning—that before they reached a conclusion on the carpenter situation, the general president was to be heard. With that statement they availed themselves of his services in any way that they thought could be helpful, or at least I suppose that is what they thought. Mr. Owens. That may be correct, Mr. Hutcheson. I-only looked at the testimony of the carpenters, that 75 pages. It does not show in those 75 pages. It may be that it showed in the beginning of the hearing in the first volume. If so, Mr .McCann may find that, but it does not show in the 75 pages where the carpenters appeared that they reserved any further time. Mr. Hutcheson. Let me say this. Congressman: Perhaps you have more time on your hands to peruse things of that kind. I do not have that much time to spare. Therefore I did not pei'use that and I am not as familiar with it as you seem to be. Mr. Owens. I just looked through that at this moment. I just looked through the 75 pages and not the entire record. Mr. Kearns. Mr. McCann, for the Chair's information, on all the other testimony except the Carpenters and Joiners, did the Interna- tional officer represent them at the hearing? You can give me that at a later time in the morning. I do not have to have that at this moment. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I will say to you as of this time that the only international president I know of who appeared before the three-man committee was Mr. Walsh. I may be in error because I have not examined this with care looking for that point, but I know Mr. Walsh appeared on behalf of the lATSE. Mr. Kearns. I think that is a very important point here and I wish you would do the necessary research to find out whether any international president appeared there or not. Mr. McCann. I will be glad to do so. Mr. Landis. The way I understand the case is this: In the first place they all agreed to go along with the decision that the committee was going to make; the carpenters were represented by one of the representatives of your union and all the rest of the craft were repre- sented and gave their case or part of their case to the committee. The