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1398 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. McCann". Would you give those pages again ? Mr. ZoRN. Particularly 784 and page 785. Mr. Kearns. Do you have those pages, Mr. Counsel? Mr. McCann. I have not checked it, but he has a copy of the record, so I assume it is all right. Mr. Landis. You better check that to be sure he is right. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, will you get those particular items, please, and read them ? Mr. McCann. Will you wait just a moment, Mr. Chairman. Mr. HuTCHESON. I am waiting for a ruling from the Chairman, sir. I did not know I was to be interrupted by anybody sitting around the room. Mr. Owens. I think you are correct in that, Mr. Hutcheson, but generally, I believe, if the chairman feels there is something at that particular time which migiit avoid a lot of difficuU}^, it nhould be done. Mr, HuTciiESON. I have no objection, so long as the subcommittee members recognize that procedure, Mr. Congressman. I am trying to go along with the committee, so whatever you agree to is O. K. by me. Mr. McCann. Mr. Reporter, will you read back the last statement which Mr. Hutcheson made ? (Record read as above recorded.) Mr. McCann. May we go off the record for a moment? Mr. Kearns. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. Kearns. Will you proceed, Mr. Hutcheson ? Mr, Hutcheson. flThank you. Mr. Knight stated that when the council met in Cincinnati all of this was gone over. Everybody except Vice President Lewis was there. He stated this committee was handed the directive. It was all-inclusive. There were no conditions or qualifications to the directive. Vice President Knight stated that while he had not meant to be egotistical he did not believe there was any three men in America could go out there in that nasty situation and render a directive that would be more universally accepted than the one the committee handed down last December 26. He pointed out further that the committee was handi- capped by having only 30 days in which to do the .iob. Vice President Knight stated the committee is not against the carpenters having their jurisdiction. Off the record, if the gentleman had given me time I would have read this into the record. Mr. Kearns. That is obvious. Mr. Hutcheson. It seems that the gentleman has possession of minutes of the executive council of the American Federation of Labor which, I understand—I may be misinformed—that your committee was not able to get. I have them. I am a member of the executive council, I don't think, in fact I loiow, that gentleman over there is not a member of the council. Now, if he can get them, I cannot understand, Mr. Chairman, why your committee could not get them. Mr. Kearns. The committee got them through you, Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. McCann. They have already been received in evidence; that is, the three meetings, ]Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Hutcheson. O. K., but I did not furnish them to the gentleman over to my right.