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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1425 misconduct b}- the arbitration board or tliey did not give you a hear- ing just like you requested there, when you made a request for time and they did not give you an opportunity to present your evidence when you showed good cause, or whether there was a latent ambiguity, or for some o( her reason; but assuming it was correct in every way, it would be binding. Mr. HuTCHEsoN. What are you talking about ? jNIr. Owens. United States law. Mr. HuTCHEsox. On ar])itration? Mr. Owens. That is the law of the United States on arbitration. Mr. HuTCHESOx. Then you just mentioned that, or your statement referred to ex parte evidence; in other words, that is the very thing we objected to, because of a decision that was made without us being permitted to present evidence. Mv. Owens. You have hit the point on the head. What I have shown 3'ou is that it is a matter for the court; and if they believe Mr. Cam- biano's appearance before it did not conclude the matter, that would be one thing, but the court might conclude otherwise. We are not decidincr that. Mr. HuTCHESOx. Well, I have learned a little something about law today, so my day has not been lost so far, Mr. Chairman. Mr. OwEXS. I might add, in all seriousness: I heard someone speak about dumb painters the other day. I did not think he was so dumb. I think the thing that counts in real education is knowing what to do At the time it is to be done: and I think you know that, Mr. Hutche- son; you have proved that a number of times in your long leadership of labor. Mr. HuTCHEsox*. Thank you, sir. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Landis, do you have some questions ? Mr. Landis. Nothing further at this time. ^Ir. Kearxs. Will you continue, please? Mr. HuTCiiESOx-. Mr. Chairman, I have established the fact that from 1926 on there was a basic agreement existing between organiza- tions whose members were employed in Hollywood and the representa- tives of the moving-picture producers. Now let me say this: The basic agreement was brought into effect in 1926. I have mentioned here in my presentation of these facts the name of Mr. Pat Casey. I think it would be perhaps enlightening if you could get Mr. Casey to verify some of the things I have men- tioned here: but before closing what I have to say at this time, I would like to say this: In 1933 the members of the lATSE went on strike in the moving- picture industry in Hollywood. I do not recall the month. At that time they were a part of the basic agreement, in 1933. They became a part of it when it came into existence in 1926. I read the signature of the president at that time. In fact, he was chairman of the labor group for several years when the basic agreement first operated. The remainder of the trade signatory to the basic agreement when tlie lATSE went on strike in 1933 kept on working in those studios. The memi)ers of the various organizations were requested by the man- agement to do work in those studios, in making tliose pictures, that had not formerly been done by those employees of those organizations. Our organization was one of them.