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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1429 When you had that meetin<>- in January 19oG, accordin<^ to the evi- dence we have had here, the question of the erection of sets, assemblage and so forth was thoroughly discussed. Mr. HuTciiESON. No. Mr. Owens. You say no ? Mr. HuTciiESON. No. Mr. Owens. Didn't you discuss it and these three men said "No; wo are not going to change it ?" Mr. HuTCHESON. No; we didn't discuss it. In fact, we were doing it in 11);56. Mr. Owens. Weren't there several hundred men involved in that transfer of work? Mr. HuTciiEsoN. In 1936? Mr. Owens. 1946. Mr. HuTciiESON. Oh, oh, now you are changing your date. In other words, you are moving up a decade, Mr. Owens. Yes, I have heard so many today, 1926, 1936, 1946. Mr. HuTCHESON. Eenie, meenie, minie, mo. Mr. Owens. I am talking about January of 1946, when you had the meeting in Miami. Maybe I better mention the place of the meeting. When you had the meeting at Miami in 1946, in January, didn't you discuss the meaning of the words "direction, assemblage and so forth?" JNIr. HuTciiESON. With whom ? Mr. Owens. Mr. Knight, Mr. Doherty, and Mr. Birthright? Mr. HuTCHESON. What was the use? Mr. Owens. I am asking if you did. ]Mr. HuTCiiESON. What was the use, I am asking you. Mr. Oavens. Now, listen, Mr. Hutcheson, I am just asking you a plain, ordinary question. Did you talk with them about it, or didn't you ? Mr. HuTCiiESON. I question very much whether that came into the discussion or not. Mv. Owens. Then you don't know ? Mr. Hu-rciiESON. I don't remember. Mr. Owens. Then we are to assume that the statement of Mr. Doherty where he says he did know and said you did have such a discussion, his statement is correct if you do not know anything to the contrary? Mr. Hutcheson. I don't know what Mr. Doherty said. Mr. Owens. He said you did discuss it. Mr. Hutcheson. Discuss what? Mr. Owens. The difference between what was meant by the words "erection and assemblage," and the fact that it was going to transfer the jurisdiction of several hundred men from perhaps the carpenters over to the I. A. and they refused to change their directive at that time, knowing all of those facts. Is that true ? Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Congressman, far be it from me to say that Mr. Dohertv committed perjury. ^Ir. Owens. Then he did tell the truth ? Mr. Hutcheson. I am not saying he did. I am not accusing him of perjury. Mr. Owens. When you testified before us last year Mr. Hutcheson. I am not saying anything against his testimony, I didn't hear him.