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1430 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Owens. We will assume it is true if you do not say that it is not. Mr. HuTCHESON. I didn't say it wasn't true. Mr. Owens. All right, I said we will assume that it is. Last year when you testified before us you were speaking of what took place at that time. You testified before us in the spring of last year, about March, sometime. You said with reference to the Hollywood strike that that work had been taken away from you and as far as the car- penters are concerned when work is taken away from them they just walk out and do not pay any attention to it. Do you recall saying that ? Mr. Hutcheson. "Well, we are not employed there. We have all been discharged. All of our members have been discharged from the studios. We don't have anybody working there. Mr. Owens. You said all of those men are employed in gainful occupations. Mr. Hutcheson. What did you say ? Mr. Owens. You mentioned all the men who were employed there were employed in gainful occupations. Mr. Hutcheson. I said that ? Mr. Owens. Yes. Mr. Hutcheson. When? Mr. Owens. Last year. Mr. Hutcheson. That they were all employed ? Mr. Owens. Yes, you did. Mr. Hutcheson. If I said that I made a mistake. They are not all employed, because some of them are on the picket line. Some of them are getting paid for being on the picket line, if you call that employ- ment. That would be better than doing nothing at all. Mr. Owens. I think Mr. Landis was the one who was questioning you about that matter. You said, "I think our members, from the meager information I have, are all employed." That was the answer to Mr. Gwinn. Mr. Hutcheson. What meager information I have? Mr. Owens. Yes; that they were all employed. Mr. Kearns. Was that before the full committee ? Mr. Owens. Yes; that was before the full committee last year. Just before that you were asked by Mr. Landis: Conld you explain that Hollywood carpenters strike; that is, the jurisdictional dispute? He started to say before the stage carpenters: and you said: Not the stage carpenters, but the moving-picture carpenters. They claimed work we had done for years. And then he said. Now, if we don't get all the work we are entitled to we are not going to do what we are supposed to do. The operators said, "Out you go." They fired us all. We do not have a man around there. We have no men employed any longer at the major studios in Hollywood. We have had an agreement with them for years. Briefly that is it. Then the next question was the one we spoke about where you said from the meager information you have they are all employed. You said: If the membership happened to leave the job because they did not get work belonging to someone that is all right. We would not interfere with anybody. If they can find anybody to take our places they can do it.