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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1433 Then (he executive council meeting was held the next month, in May, and you discussed again this directive of December 1945, didn't you ? Mr. HuTCHESON. We discussed the findings of it; certainly. ^Ir. OwExs. Yes. You wanted them changed? i\Ir. IIiTTCiiESox. The record does not show on request from the Brotlierhood of Carpenters to the executive council of the American Federation of Labor to change that directive, as you call it. The request and demand was that there be restored to the United Brother- hood of Carpenters and Joiners of America recognition by the Ameri- can Federation of Labor of tlie regular jurisdiction of the brotherhood. Mr. Owens. Now, don't misunderstand me, Mr. Hutcheson. If you can prove your case in connection with this it would mean nothing to me. I only want to be as helpful as I possibly can. I only want to^ learn the facts. After you had the meeting of your executive council in May, the Jiext meeting was in August; was it not? Mr. HuTCHESox. That is right. jNlr. Owens. That is. skipping the so-called Beverly Hills treaty^ which you are not concerned with ? ]Mr. Hutcheson. "What are you talking about now? Mr. Owens. The so-called'Beverly Hills treaty of July 2, 1946,. with respect to wages and hours and so on. ]Mr. Hutciieson. Of course, you are talking about something that is way over my liead. I don't understand that language, so I know notliing about it. Mr. Owens. All right. The next meeting was on August 15; was it not? Mr. HuTCHEsox. Yes; that is what the record shows. Mr. Owens. At the time of that meeting you insisted upon your jurisdiction over certain work and Mr. Green asked the executive council to consider it—at least this is the testimony—and then asked the three men to issue a so-called clarification of their directive; is that a fact ? Mr. Hutciieson. That is what the records show. Mr. Owens. What jurisdiction did you feel the executive council had over those three men whose order was supposed to be under the Cincinnati meeting contract, final and binding? Mr. Hutciieson. Well, that is easily understood, because they had put out something that was not clear and we wanted a clarification of it, just what it meant. Mr. Landis. May I interruj^t ? Mv. Owens. Certainly. Mr. Landis. Did the executive council appoint them? Mr. Hutciieson. I don't get that. Mr. Landis. Wlio appointed the three men ? Mr. Hutciieson. I doirt understand you. Mr. Keakns. Who appointed the three men on the committee, Messrs. Knight, Birtliright, and Walsh ? Mr. Hutciieson. The council authorized tlie president to do that. Mr. Owens. That Avas to be final and binding upon tlie members _ Mr Hutcheson. I suppose. Congressman, that was the dumb word- ing of dumb labor leaders by not liaving any knowledge of the law ot the land as to how it would applv.