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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1435 to make the change. They did it by his directions only in the execu- tive council. Don't you do thinos like that in your council or are the men telling a falsehood in that respect? Mr. HuTciiESON. Mr. Congressman, you are making a statement as to what a member of the executive council said. You cannot expect me, not knowing anj^thing he was talking about—whether it was so or whether it was not—to take a position on the matter, can you? Mr. Owens. After that so-called clarification wa^ issued, it is my understanding tliat the lATSE insisted on going ah ' with the direc- tive of 1!)J:5 and the producers insisted on going aloi: with it also; is that your understanding? ^Ir. HuTCHESON. As far as I know, yes. I am not too familiar with that, because that was left up to our representatives. Mr. Owens. Then it is my understanding that Mr. Cambiano, the same man you mentioned before, when he laid down an edict in the sec- ond week of September to the effect that if that clarification were not followed and they were not given that work, they would not work on the sets. Do you know anything about that ? Mr. HuTCHESON. I think that is right. ^Ir. Owens. Then he had the authority to do that, did he ? Mr. HuTCHESON. By direction of the members of the local union. He was representing the local, representing their desires. Mr. Owens. Then it is my understanding, according to the evidence, when they did not do the work on the sets; they were given their checks and let out? ]\lr. HuTciiESON. I don't know what the record shows, but I guess that is what the record would show. Mr. Owens. Then the painters went on strike; they were joined by the carpenters, machinists, and all these other unions of the so-called Conference of Studio Unions? Mr. HuTCHESON. I don't know. All I can say is whatever the record shows. Mr. Owens. You do know they are participating in the strike and have been since September 1946? Mr. HuTciiESoN. I knoAv that our members in the beginning exer- cised their right and prerogative as American citizens and refused to pass the picket line. I know further that they were finally discharged by the producers. Mr. Owens. I am going to ask you a plain, straightforward (jues- tion: Do you feel that this dispute between the two unions is any re- sponsibility of the producers? Afr. Hutciieson. What do you mean by responsibility? Ml-. Owens. Is there anything they could do about it ? Mr. Hutciieson. The producers? Mr. Owens. If they were to follow the directive of 1945 and irk one side, then if they were to follow the clarification they would get in trouble with the other. Which were they supposed to do? Mr. Hutciieson. Mr. Congressman, not being a producer, I would hardly be competent to express an opinion as to what a ])ioducer would do. I rather imagine those gentlemen have enough intelligence to determine their own course of action. Mr. Owens. Then you a]~)prove of what they did?