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1436 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. HuTCHESON. I am not approving of anything they have done, because I do not think it is up to me to approve. Mr. Owens. I am asking you, what could they do except deal with one side or the other ? Mr. HuTCHESoN. Why ask me ? I am not a Congressman, I am not as intelligent as the Congressman is supposed to be, so why should I have the answer? Mr. Owens. Y' n are a witness here, Mr. Hutcheson; you are one of the outstandii^i eaders of labor in the United States. Mr. HuTCHESo . I am what? Mr. Owens. Ihat is my understanding; you are president of an international that was in existence before the A. F. of L. came into existence. Mr. Hutcheson. That's right. Mr. Owens. And the first vice president of that tremendous organi- zation, the A. F. of L. Who else better than you could I ask ? Mr. Hutcheson. Well, wait a minute, Mr. Congressman, I want to change that. We had to change our designation because of the Taft-Hartley law. Mr. Owens. Oh, yes; that is right. Mr. Hutcheson. We had to change from first vice president to a councilman. We are down now to the basis of men elected to handle the affairs of the city, usually called councilmen. Mr. Owens. You are the ranking councilman, just like Mr. Landis is the ranking member of the committee, is that it? In all seriousness, I am asking you. Mr. Hutcheson, what could the employer do in a situation like that? JSIr. Hutcheson. Mr. Congressman, if you had followed my presen- tation here in reference to the basic agreement, you would have noted that from 1926 through to this period of 1945, there was only one difficulty during those years, from 1926 on, and that was when the lATSE went on strike in 1933. The rest of the signatories to that agreement stayed at worl^. Now, then, that basic agreement could be continued. We did very well under it. Mr. Owens. I did not disregard that. That was powerful testi- mony. I am waiting for Mr. Casey's testimony when he comes on, because I understood he was the man who worked on that at the time. Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Casey was very helpful in carrying out the principles and understandings reached under the basic agreement, and I think the producers would have to admit that, but perhaps they do not. Mr. Owens. I appreciate this fact, Mr. Hutcheson, that if the direc- tive were not there in 1945, under the evidence ^^ou have given about the basic agreement in 1926, the thing would be settled and you could see it clearly. Mr. Hutcheson. But, Mr. Congressman, let me call this to your attention: One of the flies in the ointment, so to speak, was the fact that the painters' organization was not in the basic agreement in 1945. Now, tliere were two. and I thinks perhaps three, organizations that went into the basic agreement in 1926 and continued all the way throuo;h. The others were alienated out. The three were the musi-