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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1443 Mr. HuTCHESON. The record will show for itself. Mr. jVIcCann. Will von state whether yon or the United Brother- hood of Carpenters and Joiners have contributed any financial sup- port, includino; payment of any counsel fees, in connection with either or both of the lawsuits which have been filed in the Federal District Court in Los Angeles on behalf of certain individual carpenters as plaintiffs and in which Mr. Zach Lamar Cobb appears as attorney for the plaintiffs? Is it not a fact that the United Brotherhood of Carpenters is named as a defendant in those lawsuits? Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, weren't we keeping that situation out of the record? Mr. HuTCHEsoN. Mr. Chairman, if you are going to leave it in the record, I will answer it: None of his business. Mr. ISIcCann. I think that settles those questions, sir. Are there any other questions { My. LiEYT. I have some questions. Mr. McCann. I have another group of questions from Mr. Levy, of the lATSE. Point out the clause in the basic agreement which abrogates the agrc^ement made on February 5,1925, between Carpenters Local 92, and lATSE Local 37. Mr. HuTCHESox. Read that again. (Question reread.) Mr. HuTCHESON. We do not consider there ever was any agreement. Mr. McCann. You mean, you do not consider the 1925 agreement was an agreement ? Mr. HuTCHEsoN. That's right. That is what you read, was it not ? Mr. McCann. That is right. I just wanted to clear it up for the sake of the record. Mr. Leat. I do not consider it an answer to the question. If Mr. McCann does, we will have to let it go. Mr. McCaxn. Mr. Chairman, I am trying to help. That is the best I can do. There are two agreements referred to here. I am doing my best to try to interpret this thing so as to make sense. Now Mr. Hutcheson has stated, Mr. Levy, that he does not consider the 1925 agreement an agi'eement. Mr. Levy. He has stated that the basic agreement determines juris- diction between the lATSE and the carpenters, so my question was specifically directed to the proposition, wherein does the basic agree- ment refer to the jurisdiction between the carpenters and the lATSE? I tliink the question is clear. If counsel does not want to investigate this matter, is not interested in following the lead, I cannot ask Mr. Hutcheson any further questions. Mr. OwexsI Mr. Chairman, I consider the answer INIr. Hutcheson gave was that it did not refer to it. It would have no other connota- tion to me. He is taking responsibility for his answer. Mr. Levy. I understand it. Mr. McCaxx. I am very anxious, Mr. Chairman, to avoid criticism and to read the question right. Mr. Kearxs. Mr. Hutcheson realizes his answer is in the record. That is all we can go by, the record made here.