Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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1446 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. HuTCHESON. No; not to the extent that we interpret local au- tonomy, for the reason that under the basic agreement, and on the request of the producers, they asked the internationals who joined in the basic agreement to assume the responsibility of carrying out the terms of the basic agreement and not have to depend upon the members of the locals in Hollywood. I might go one step further. And the members of local 946 were quite agreeable to that procedure of the basic agreement. Mr. Owens. Mr. Chairman, could I ask a question there ? Mr. Kearns. All right. Mr. Owens. Mr. Hutcheson, how do you justify what you have just said about you only refer to autonomy between the local and the em- ployers, wh'en you admitted to me before that you as an international could do nothing to help jurisdictional disputes? How do you jus- tify that with entering into conflicts between two unions when you admit you can do nothing about a jurisdictional dispute when it arises? Mr. HuTcriESON. I don't understand your reasoning up to that point. Mr. Owens. You have said, both in the testimony last year and in the testimony today, that you could do nothing to help a jurisdic- tional dispute. Mr. Hutcheson. "Wasn't that elucidated upon ? Mr. Oa\'ens. Yes. I say, how do you justify what you just said about interfering or, let us call it entering into their local autonomy with regard to a contract when you could do nothing about a juris- dictional dispute after it arises? Mr. Hutcheson. Because in entering into an agreement with the local of another organization, if they agreed to waive claim to work that rightfully belongs to carpenters, that is not in conformity with the constitution of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners, and therefore cannot be approved or accepted. Mr. Owens. With respect to the 1925 agi'eement, they have it en- titled "Agreement Entered Into Between Local No. 1092 and Local Union No. 37, lATSE, in 1925, and American Federation of Labor Jurisdictional Award, 1921." In the third paragraph Mr. McCann referred to before, it says: Both parties to this agreement sliall at once submit same to their international presidents with the request that it be incorporated as a part of the international agreement for a permanent period. Does that mean according to the award made in 1921 they were per- mitted to go ahead and do that very thing? Mr. Hutcheson. I would not so understand it. Mr. Owens. Would you say it is not so ? Mr. Hutcheson. What is not so? Mr. Owens. That they were not permitted to go ahead and make this agreement under your American Federation of Labor jurisdic- tion award in 1921 ? Mr. Hutcheson. That would be the opinion of the United Brother- hood because that understanding in 1921 was worked out through the international, with the international of the lATSE, under the spon- sorship of the then president of the American Federation of Labor, Samuel Gompers. and it was a matter of international action, by the two internationals.