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1454 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES I and others were invited to participate in the hearings that were held in Los Angeles, Calif., at that time, but I did not go there. Other business prevented me from traveling that distance at that time. However, I had a representative there who looked after the interests of the international and the membership involved in the controversy. Mr. McCann. What was the name of that representative ? Mr. LiNDELOF. His name was Ray Gelston. By the way, since then he has passed on. The committee, of course, made its report to the American Federa- tion of Labor. The directive we are now all familiar with. In accordance with the instructions, when the committee had re- ported, all the men returned to work in the studios'. They worked there for some time when the American Federation of Labor issued a clarification of the directive. This directive was not satisfactory, principally to the carpenters, in view of their dispute be- tween the set erectors and set assemblage. When the carpenters refused to w^ork on what was known as the "hot" sets' and the painters refused to work on these "hot" sets, then all of those men were discharged and locked out by the studios. The matter has been up since then before the American Federation of Labor, that is, the executive council of the American Federation of Labor at the convention in San Francisco, but matters stand as they did at that time. Mr. McCann. Mr. Lindelof, you were present at the Cincinnati meeting in October 1945 you said? Mr. Lindelof. Correct. Mr. McCann. At that time did you consent to be bound by the di- rective to be issued by the three-man committee ? Mr, Lindelof. I did. Mr. McCann. You did not, you have just testified, go to Los An- geles', but had a personal representative there? Mr. Lindelof. That is correct. Mr. McCann. When the directive was issued by the three-man committee on December 26, 1945, were you thereafter present at the meeting of the executive council in Miami ? Mr. Lindelof. No, sir. I am not a member of the executive council. Mr, McCann. So you know nothing of what transpired at that time ? Mr. Lindelof. No ; I would not know. Mr. McCann. Then there was a meeting, as I understand it, of the executive council in August of 1946 in Chicago, 111.? Mr. Lindelof. Correct. Mr. McCann. Were you present at that meeting? Mr. Lindelof. No ; I was not, because, as I stated, I am not a member of the executive council of the American Federation of Labor. Mr. McCann. Have you told the committee all that you feel you want to say at this time ? Mr, Lindelof. I believe so. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions. Mr. Kearns. Any questions ? Mr. Owens. Just a few, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lindelof, it was the painters who began the strike in the spring of '45, was it not? INIr. Lindelof. That is right.