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1456 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Owens. Then in September of 1945, you refused to work on the sets in accordance with the terms of that agreement; isn't that true? Mr. McCann. September '46, you mean. Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. McCann. Mr. LiNDELOF. Well", of course, there are two ways of placing that question, and probably answering it. Mr. Owens. You answer it both ways. Mr. LiNDELOF. In fact, I have already answered it. Congressman. I stated that because the carpenters and painters refused to work on what was known as the "hot" sets, their services were discontinued in the studios, in other words, a lock-out. Mr. Owens. In other words, the sets were not "hot" from January to August, but they became "hot" in September? Mr. LiNDELOF. That is right. Mr. Owens. What did you feel made them "hot" in September after the summer was over ? Mr. LiNDELOF. That was after the clarification was issued by the American Federation of Labor. Now, we are members of the Ameri- can Federation of Labor and affiliated with it. When the clarification came out we carried out the clarification as defined by the American Federation of Labor. Mr. Owens. You understood that Mr. Hutcheson opposed the origi- nal directive; felt they had not given the carpenters a fair chance to testify. Did you understand that? Mr. LiNDELOF. Yes. Mr, Owens. Did you feel when they met in August and decided to change that, that they had given the other unions a fair chance to oppose the clarification? Mr. LiNDELOF. Well, that is a question probably someone else could answer better than I. I do not know anything about carpenter work, but I know the painter supports the carpenter and the carpenter sup- ports the painter in all matters where there is a dispute, relative to conditions, wages, or other matters. Mr. Owens. At least you feel you did go along with what was done by the leaders of tlie American Federation of Labor? Mr. LiNDELOF. That is correct. That has been our policy for years. We liave always gone along with that policy. Mr. Owens. But it did put the producers in a bad spot, didn't it, where tliey were tryinof to follow the first directive and then have to try to follow the second ? Mr. LiNDELOF. Yes, I agree with you on that, and they are in a bad spot now. Mr. Owens. What remedy would you have for a situation where an employer was put in that position ? Mr. LiNDELOF. Well, I don't know. My remedy was perhaps not so very good. I suggested a remedy previous to the Cincinnati meeting. Mr. Owens. "Wlint was that remedy, Mr. Lindelof ? Mr. LiNDELOF. That was an organization similar to that of the studio unions be set up, with everybody affiliated in that group, and that one man from each organization act on the committee to settle all jurisdictional disputes. A subcommittee was to be selected from this committee at large.