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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1475 seiitative of the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners at your hearing'. Mr. Landis. The way I get it is that the committee was to go back to the president of the carpenters before the final decision was made. Do you see what I mean, ^Ir. Doherty ? Before the final directive was made, they were to go back to the president of the carpenters' union? Mr. Doherty. Yes: there is language to that effect in Cambiano's presentation. I would prefer to have the actual testimony submitted. I know this is the transcript, but I cannot point to it as quickly as I can in the other. Mr. Kearns. Mrs. Locher, he has testimony in a volume such as this that was presented to you. Will you find that, please ? Mr. Doherty. If you will get that language in there, you will see our committee could not hand down any decision until we reported back to International F'resident Hutcheson of the carpenters. It was the only testimony submitted to our committee that had that sort of a proviso in it. The rest all came there at our invitation, in keeping with the directive of the executive council, which was handed down in October at Cincinnati, 1945. Mr. Oa^^ens. Then did you hand down your directive without taking it up with Mr. Hutcheson? Mr. Doherty. We had no directive from the executive council of the American Federation of Labor to take it up with Mr. Hutche- son, or anyone else. Mr. O^A'ENs. You felt j'^ou were able to make a final and binding decision without doing that? Mr. Doherty. That is a correct statement, sir. Mr. Oavens. Did you feel that since Mr. Hutcheson had made an application to you showing good cause for a continuance of his matter that you had refused to pay any attention to his request? Mr. Doherty. ]S!o, sir; I do not feel that we did that at all. I feel that the executive council of the American Federation of Labor gave us to what amounted to an ultimatum to do a job in 30 days. Had we been privileged to go beyond that 30-day period, then we could go back to these various international presidents, seek their counsel and advice on various parcels of jurisdictional lines of de- marcation, and perhaps we would be in the same tangle that this com- mittee is in now. We would be carrying it on ad infinitum. Mr. Laxdis. One final point. Your committee did not promise to go back to the president of the carpenters before you made the final directive? ]Mr. Doherty. That is correct. We felt we were not obligated to do so, if you please, sir. ]\Ir. Owexs. That is what I was going to ask. There is no question about that. You did not give your word in any way that you would go back to him? Mr. Doherty. I did not give my word. But in fairness to Execu- tive Council Member Hiitclieson. I recall in later meetings of the executive council he did make an issue on that point. It seems to me he made some reference to Chairman Knight having given him some sort of a promise to that effect. I do not have that correspond- ence, nor do I know what Chairman Knight did tell liim.