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1488 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES We did not know what the carpenters submitted, the painters, or anybody else, but we came to our day in court before this committee. We presented our case to the committee the best way we could. We gave the committee all the documents we had. We gave the committee all the arguments we had. You must understand, that in the labor situation in Hollywood, I think there are about 30,000 people employed out there. Around 10,000 of the 30,000 belong to the lATSE. The other 16,000 are divided into about 48 unions, so you can real- ize why we were so interested in this dispute in Hollywood. Mr. Landis. You had a complete hearing ? Mr. Walsh. Before the three-man committee? Mr. Landis. Yes. Mr. Walsh. Yes, sir; we had a complete hearing and presented our case. We were very jittery when we got through because we did not know what they were going to do, and by looking into their faces and hearing what they were going to say, we thought the lATSE was out of business—from their remarks. Mr. Kearns. You are talking about the three-man committee of the A. F. of L. ? Mr. Walsh. That is what he asked me about, the three-man com- mittee of the American Federation of Labor. During the presentation of our case to the three-man committee of the A. V. of L., we brought in all the agreements that we could find that had been drawn up between the car})enters' organization, the elec- tricians' organization, and any other organization that had a dispute in Hollywood. We found an agreement back in 1919 with the carpenters' organiza- tion. We found an agreement back in 1921 with the carpenters' or- ganization. We found an agreement in 1926 with the carpenters' organization. We found a letter from our president—at least a letter from the carpenters to the producers' organization in 1936 when we went back after the strike, in 1933. I would like to bring to the attention of the committee at this time the fact that the lATSE, when it went out on strike in 1933 for a wages and hours dispute, we had about 7,000 members in the Holly- wood studios. We lost that strike, and in 1935, our membership in Hollywood had dropped to about 186 paid-up members. The carpenters, the electricians, and the other people and organizations, had gone in and taken our jobs. I was a little bit surprised this morning to hear Brother Hutcheson say that he was minding them for us for 2 or 3 years, he was taking care of the members of our organization who were out on strike—he was minding the jobs for us and that he gave them back to us. I was very much pleased to hear that. In presenting these various agreements we tried to argue with the committee that all the work in the Hollywood studios belong to the lATSE. Now, I say all of the work. I am not going to hedge about it, and I am not going to try to hint to anybody that I did not ask this committee to give us everything. There was no question about juris- diction. We thought the whole Hollj/wood studio belonged to the lATSE.