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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1491 but bandsaws, cut-alls, joining machines, and all carpentry tools and carpenters were working there, and over on the other side of the shop was the same type of machinery, the same type of wood and the same type of work being done, it was not an easy explanation for me to give to the connnittee as to why there should be carpenters here and lATSE men over there. HoAvever. I explained it to the committee and from their decision I think they must have believed me, at least to the extent that the lATSE should have that work. Xow, we come down to what the committee did. The committee claims they had three ways to decide this: Strict adherence to craft or vertical lines of demarcation of the motion- picture studios; establishment of an industrial or horizontal union throughout the industry; a division of work designation within the indus^try patterned after previous agreements negotiated mutually by the various crafts. They picked the latter, (c) They took the agree- ments which the various local unions and the international out there had agreed upon. They were three practical men. They were not going to try and say that this was a prop or that is a prop or this is a wall and that is a wall. They knew the}- could not do that, so they took these agreements. These agreements were not the language of this committee. They did not draw up these agreements. The}^ w^ere drawn up some time ago. They said. '"Put these agreements into full force and effect." Xow, this arbitration committee had an over-all job to do. They were not out there just deciding how sets were going to be built or ■who was going to build the sets. That is not what that committee went out there for. They went out there to decide all the jurisdiction which we could not agree upon. So how did the lA come out in this ? How did we fare ? The "set decorators" was the dispute. I do not think anybody can sa}' historically that the set decorators or the set dressers belong to the painters' organization, that they were painters, or that they did any work the painters should have jurisdiction or could have juris- diction over. As the history will show, they were just property men. They had graduated from being plain property men to set decorators. So did the lATSE win that argument about the set decorators? No; we lost it. They took the set decorators away from us. Tliey also took away from us the frosting of windows. That is a very important thing. I don't know how it even got into the argu- ment. They talk about what this committee should decide—the frost- ing of windows. The frostiuir of windows probably amounts to 1 hour per day per year, or something like that, but they took that away from us.' We lost that. We should have asked for a clarification of that, but we didn't. Xow we come to the International Brotherliood of Electrical Workers. We had an agi-eement with the Tnternntional Brotherhood of Elec- trical Woi-kers. It had been in effect. We had been w^orking under it. We thought we were doing pretty good. But, lo and behold, they