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1498 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES In talking to President Green afterward the employer, in my pres- ence, said, "What are we going to do?" They said, "We are going back and put this directive into full force and effect." So Green asked me, "WHat will happen if the carpenters go on strike again?" I said, "If the carpenters go on strike again, leave us alone and we will run the studios." Mr. Kearns. You told Mr. Green that? Mr. Walsh. That is what I told him, "Leave us alone and we will run the studios, and if you leave us alone, there won't be any trouble, but if you keep butting in there will be a lot of trouble." So we went back and the directive was put into full force and effect. We worked under that directive for 8 months. Now comes the day—I think it was in August—of the clarification. All of these arguments that have been had on the council which Brother Hutcheson testified to, I do not know anything about them because I was not notified to be there. This was sort of secret in the inner sanctum of the American Federation of Labor. They get you in there and talk about Dolierty and his butchers. They do all right, according to what I hear here from the testimony. Mr. Landis. Could I clear up one point? Mr. Kearns. Yes, sir. ]Mr. Landis. Is that book your constitution ? Mr. Walsh. No, sir; that is a book that we had printed of the directive. We had it printed and distributed to all our members in Hollywood. ]\Ir. Landis. And you lost those different things in tlie original di- rective; is that correct? Mr. Walsh. That is correct. We lost every place but set erection. Mr. Landis. And you lost no more in the clarification; is that correct ? Mr. Walsh. We lost a little more in the clarification. If the clari- fication was ever put into effect we would lose what we gained. In other words, it would be complete. If they can get the clarification put into full force and effect the lATSE will have lost, Mr. Landis. And the carpenters will be satisfied? Mr. Walsh. I am not sure, I am not sure. I am coming to that now. That is what troubles me more than anything else. After this clarification was handed down Mr. Kearns. That was in August? Mr. Walsh. In August. Brother Hutcheson sent a communica- tion to Eric Johnston in which he enclosed the clarification. He said he hoped that Eric Johnston and the people affiliated with him would abide by this clarification and all future clarifications. So you see, this was the in. This was where he was o;oing to break down what the committee did and once the arbitration was broken down the door was wide open; the steam shovel was in and the house was removed. I was more afraid of that than anything else because if I sat there and took 2,000 people off the joId and lost in all these spots and made no complaint, why was I going to let them open up this binding arbitration? I wouldn't do it if we had to carry it to every court in the land. We will fight it no matter where it goes. We think this was a binding arbitration and we think the committee in all fairness did the best job it was possible for them to do.