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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1501 Mr. Kearns. Any questions from counsel ? Mr. McCann. These questions are presented, Mr. Walsh, by Mr, Bodle, counsel for the painters. Isn't it true that you claim jurisdiction over all work in the making and taking of motion pictures ? That is, all mechanical work? Mr. AValsh. I so stated on the record. Mr. McCaxn. Isn't it true that the lATSE in March 1946, in viola- tion of three-man decision, refused to work on cameras repaired by- members of I AM ? Mr. Walsh. The lATSE has never violated the agreement, to my knowledge. I^Ir. McCanx. Isn't it true tliat the lA in April '46 demanded the replacement of members of the 1AM by members of the A. F. of L. machinists' union ? Mr. Walsh. I have not the facts on that, I cannot answer it; I don't know. Mr. McCaxx. Isn't it true that the work which the lAM was doing at that time was work which was traditionally theirs and which they were given by the three-man directive? Mr. Walsh. I would have to answer that in the same way: Any work that was given to them, I understand the machinists went back on the jobs, and that they are back on the jobs today. Mr. McCaxx. Isn't it true that from 1926 on the actual construction of sets in the motion-picture studios was done by carpenters? iSIr. Walsh. No, it is not true. Some of the work was done by carpenters; some of the work done by the lATSE; some of the work was done under open-shop conditions. Mr. McCaxx. The minutes of the producers' labor committee ^Ir. OwExs. Just a minute; may I ask a question ? I noticed before you used the word "carpenters" interchangeably, meaning that your men were also carpenters in some sense. Mr. Walsh. Our men do carpentry work. They may do it under another title and they may do it under the title of "carpenters." For instance, in the stage theaters, we call them stage carpenters. Mr. OwExs. So when you say "carpenters," 3^ou mean the Interna- tional Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners? Mr. Walsh. AVhen I answered it just now, I meant the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners. Mr. I^ARxs. Mr. Walsh, at that point, isn't it good to clear the record of the fact that lots of times the carpenters had cards in your union, too, because many times there was work available in fields where you had jurisdiction and they got appointed there when there was not work in the carpenters' field ? Mr. Walsh. In Hollywood people hold many cards for employ- ment purposes, for their own benefit. In my own local union in Brooklyn, N. Y., we have a fellow who has three cards there. You don't have to have them. He gets three shots at the bag. He can get a job as a motion-picture operator one day, a studio mechanic the next day, and he can work as a stage employee the next day. I only have a stage employee's card, and I am confined to just work- ing on the stage. 67383—48—vol. 2 30