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1502 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Kearns. But in the case where the work of the craft is not over- lapping in any way; he is doing a different job when he works under a certain card ? Mr. Walsh. That is correct. In the studios the work would not be overlapping either, in a lot of cases. It may in some cases. For instance, like the special-effects men. One time they might be work- ing as a plumber and the next afternoon or tlie next day they might be working as a special-effects man; working under the plumber's card one day and the special-effects card the next day. There is not enough employment there as a full-time plumber, but by having the two cards he would work full time. There are two different agreements, one with our organization and one with the plumbers' organization—that is, with the employer. Mr. Kearns. I do not think Mr. Owens understands that, for instance, the prop maker is a skilled carpenter. One day he may be working on wood, the next day on plastics, and the next day he may be over there cutting a steel beam, or something of that sort. Mr. Walsh. That would be with three different organizations. These three different organizations have agreements with the employer. The motion-picture operator has an agreement with the employer, the studio mechanics have an agreement with the employer, and the stage employees have an agreement with the employer. So under those three different employer agreements you would have to have three dif- ferent cards to work, if you want to. Mr. Kearns. Otherwise he could stay in the category of one card and not work at other jobs? Mr. Walsh. Sure. Mr. Owens. I did not misunderstand, I just wanted to clarify that point. I think I was as able to understand his committee as the com- mittee was able to understand it when it was before them. Mr. Kearns. Any more questions, Mr. Counsel? Mr. McCann. Yes, sir. The minutes of the producers' labor committee from September 11 to September 26, 1946, show that your representative, Roy Brewer, sat in with the committee and planned the mass discharge of painters and carpenters on September 23, 1946. Do you approve of and ratify the activities of Brewer in this regard ? Mr. Owens. I must object to a question of that kind, Mr. Chairman, which calls for a conclusion that is unjustified. I don't think such a question should be permitted to be asked of any witness. Mr. Bodle. Mr. Chairman Mr. Kearns. Just a minute. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. Kearns. The notes of that committee's activities have already been received in evidence, and I sustain the objection to the question. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I want to make a comment on that point. We have asked the producers similar questions with respect to the minutes, and they were allowed in every case. This varies the rule that you have been following up to this date. Mr. Kearns. No; I don't think so, because we have that already in the record. It is so ordered. Mr. McCann. Were you aware at the time Brewer was planning with the producers the mass discharge of the carpenters and painters ?