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1504 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Walsh. That was the one at the convention. The convention was held and the president was reporting on that at that time. He read that from that vohime of our convention proceedings, and that would be June or July of 1926. Mr. McCann". Please state who else had ever called it the 1926 agreement before the three-man committee hearing ? Mr. Walsh. I think that has been well answered. Mr. McCann. Has the 1921 agreement ever been revoked by any other agreement ? Mr. Walsh. I would not be able to answer that, because I have no knowledge of it being revoked, whether it was put into full force and effect, or what happened to it. Mr. McCann. I will read the rest of that question for you. I think you have probably answered it, but I am just submitting it: If so, what, how, and when? Please answer the above question independently of the purported 1925 agreement. Mr. Walsh. That would be the same answer. Mr. McCann. You state that said purported 1925 agreement was approved, and then followed from 1925 to 1933. What do you have to show that it was then approved by the general president of the carpenters ? Mr. Walsh. Well, I have submitted here all the evidence I have about that agreement. I had the counsel read our convention pro- ceedings. I had your attention drawn to the agreement. I had the constitution and bylaws of the local union at that time, and I had tho photostat of our bulletin back in 1926, and I gave it all to you. Mr. Oavens. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a question. Did you have knowledge of the fact that Mr. Hutcheson's interna- tional had expelled the local and replaced it with another for having entered into that agreement in 1925 ? Mr. Walsh. I have argued on several occasions with Hutcheson that that is not a fact. Mr. Oavens. You mean that they did not expel the union ? Mr. Walsh. I have some aflidavits in my possession which says he did not expel them because of that, but it was because of some finan- cial trouble, or something else. He says I don't know anything about his organization, and I have to agree with him. Mr. McCann. Wliat work did the lA do between 1925 and 1983, under the purported agreement of 1925, as distinguished from the 1921 agreement? Mr. Walsh. That is a question that would take a lot of research for me to answer. I cannot give you that answer now. They did volumes of work out in the studio under various agreements, and under an open-shop condition that existed in the studios at that time. Mr. McCann. In the hearing before the three-man committee, were any carpenters or representatives of carpenters present while you and others testified for the IA ? Mr. Walsh. The only ones present at the hearings where I was pre- senting the case were members of the lATSE. Among some of those people there may have been some carpenters. Mr. McCann. You have heard testified that the purported 1925 agreement was followed from 1925 to 1933. Were you in Hollywood then? Mr. Walsh. No.