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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1505 Mr. McCanx. A^Hiere were you then ? Mr. Walsh. In various parts of this country. ;Mr. McCann. Did you have any personal knowledge between 1925 and 1983 of who was doing that work in Hollywood? Mr. Walsh. In 1930, I was out at the convention of the lATSE. We went through the studios at that time and I saw our men working on various equipment, sets, and so forth. That would be the extent of ni}' personal knowledge. Mr. McCanx. When you testified before the three-man committee regarding the purported 1925 agreement, was your testimony based on vour own knowledge, or hearsay ? Mr. Walsh. I tried to explain to the committee that it was based on whatever knowledge I had. whatever research I could carry on through the records of the'IATSE, and whatever personal talks I had with people in Hollywood. ]\Ir. McCaxx. The record of testimony before the three-man com- mittee shows that Mr. Duvall also testified. When did he go to California? Mr. Walsh. You will have to ask Duvall; I don't know. Mr. McCanx. Where was he and what was he doing between 1925 and 1933? ]Mr. Walsh. I suggest that jou ask Duvall. Mr. McCaxx. Regarding the December 25, 1945, decision, what did it take from the carpenters and give to the lA? ^Ir. Walsh. From all the arguments I have heard, I imagine it would be set erection, what they claimed they were doing; whatever amount of set erecting they claimed they were doing. Mr. McCaxx. What-did the August 16, 1946, clarification give back to the carpenters? Mr. Walsh. I don't know, I think the carpenters would be in a better position to answer that than I. I don't know. Mr. McCaxx. Did the clarification simply return to the carpenters what had been taken from them? Mr. Walsh. I don't know what was taken from the carpenters. Mr. McCaxn. Well, you stated a moment ago that it was set erection. ^Ir. Walsh. Wliatever set erecting they were doing. Mr. McCaxx. Did they return it to them? I think that is what he means. i\Ir. Walsh. I don't know what he means. Mr. McCaxx. Did the clarification simply return to the carpenters what had been taken from them ? Mr. Walsh. I saj-, I don't know what was taken from them. Some- body would have to tell me what they took from them. Mr. Keaexs. That is fair enough. Mr. McCaxx. You state there is an open shop in Hollywood for carpenters and painters. When was this open shop declared by the companies? Mr. Walsh. I think August 22, 1947. I think the law of the land declared it as much as anj'thing else. Mr. McCaxx. How did they declare an open shop during the 2-year term of the Beverly Hills agreement of July 2,1946 ? Mr. Walsh. You will have to ask them.