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1506 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. McCann. Has the company open shop applied to your lA crafts and members? Mr. Walsh. No. Mr. McCann. Is there an open shop against carpenters and a closed shop in favor of the lATSE '{ Mr. Walsh. I think the question has been answered. Mr. McCann. Did you go to Miami in January 194:6. in an airplane? Mr. Walsh. I so testified in Hollywood—that I hitchhiked along with the producers. That is the only way I could get down there. If you will remember, transportation was pretty tough at that time, and I was tickeled to death to hitchhike along with them. Mr. McCann. You went with the jDroducers in their plane? Mr. Walsh. Yes. I was glad to go along with them because I could not have complied with President Green's request to get there if I did not go along. It was quite a hurry-up call. Mr. McCann. Those are all the questions. Mr. Kearns. Are there any other questions from counsel? Mr. McCann. Did you know that Brewer was meeting with the motion-picture companies' labor committee at the meetings during August and September 1946 ? Mr. Walsh. I would like to answer that this way, sir. That Brewer's job out there is to meet with the producers at any time there is a meeting concerning our organizations out there. Now, if the records of those meetings show he was there, then he was there. That is all I can say about that. Mr. McCann. Did he have your authority to meet with them ? Mr. Kearns. He just answered that. Mr. Walsh. I answered that, I think. Mr. McCann. That is all, sir. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Walsh, according to the original directive, the directive told the set erectors there working on sets that the millwork was to be done by carpenters. Mr. Walsh. Mill and trimwork. Mr. Kearns. On the sets. Mr. Walsh. On the sets; yes, sir. Mr. Kearns. That purely designated what was millwork and trim- work ? Mr. Walsh. I don't think any mechanic out there can misinterpret what mill and trimwork is. They went right to work and did it. You went through the studios with us. Mr. Kearns. That is right. Mr. Walsh. We had a set there and I showed you what mill and trimwork was on that set and everybody agreed. Mr. Kearns. Now, we had some cases there such as in the inde- pendent studios where we had lATSE' men and the carpenters work- ing together; is that right? Mr. Walsh. That is when you went through alone. I was not there. Mr. Kearns. But you knew that condition existed in some of the studios there, where they still kept some of the carpenters working and it was a production situation where it was more or less permitted. Wasn't that the picture? Mr. Walsh. The independent company did operate a little different from the major producers.